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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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is_that_so

Sky King wrote: »

I've heard a lot of people saying J & J vaccine will be 'doing the heavy lifting' but according to thejournal.ie this week - we'll only be getting 150,000 doses a month for April May and June.

I know it's a one-shot but it's less than 10% of our population over 3 key months. Hardly 'heavy lifting' is it?

Source:
https://www.thejournal.ie/explainer-johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-5369624-Mar2021/

The government have it down as 15% of our vaccine strategy and with AZ performing so well in deliveries it could well pass their contribution. 150K is still 300K AZ. Pfizer is the big lifter here at fairly close to 60%.

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Cork2021 wrote: »

I do like being positive, but it does look like we’re being screwed by AstraZeneca, we face vaccine shortfalls UK gets increases

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1369073411113299968?s=21

They've bought 10m doses produced in India.

stephenjmcd

Sky King wrote: »

I've heard a lot of people saying J & J vaccine will be 'doing the heavy lifting' but according to thejournal.ie this week - we'll only be getting 150,000 doses a month for April May and June.

I know it's a one-shot but it's less than 10% of our population over 3 key months. Hardly 'heavy lifting' is it?

Source:
https://www.thejournal.ie/explainer-johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-5369624-Mar2021/

That's not correct, not sure where they're getting the numbers from.

Expected supply is 602,082 through Q2 at 200,694 per month.

As per Oireachtas health committee this morning J&J is expected to be 15% of total doses in those 3 months so the numbers add up.

Apogee

Apogee wrote: »

Friday No: 19,070 administered (highest to date). Another ~10K to Cohort 3. Mon-Fri: 70,106. Passed the 500K mark - 513,322.

Sat No: 8,604 administered. Mostly Cohort 3 first doses. Mon-Sat: 79,328. 10% of vaccinatible population (3.7M) given first dose - 373,149.

[Deleted User]

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Should this be a cause for concern? I hope not.

https://wkzo.com/2021/03/08/vaccine-response-may-be-weaker-in-elderly-merck-drug-shows-promise-in-reducing-virus-level/

Vaccine response is expected to be weaker in elderly, for the exact same reasons as viruses tend to be more serious in the elderly, the immune system is more sluggish in general, and its the bodies own immune system that ultimately decides how much or a response there will be to the vaccine. Is it concerning.

Maybe not so much

"Recent reports from Israel, England and Scotland show that rates of hospitalization and severe disease progression are significantly lower than in the unvaccinated, even in people over 80 and even after the first COVID-19 vaccination,"

An analogy might be the younger are getting a full tank of petrol and the elderly are getting only a half tank, more than enough for most journeys, and there will be petrol stations on the way(booster vaccines)

Sky King

I've heard a lot of people saying J & J vaccine will be 'doing the heavy lifting' but according to thejournal.ie this week - we'll only be getting 150,000 doses a month for April May and June.

I know it's a one-shot but it's less than 10% of our population over 3 key months. Hardly 'heavy lifting' is it?

Source:
https://www.thejournal.ie/explainer-johnson-and-johnson-vaccine-5369624-Mar2021/

stephenjmcd

wadacrack wrote: »

Given how effective this vaccine is. Some good news this week about J & J would be really welcome

Approval is basically a given after the FDA said yes, however J&J flagged previously that regardless of approval it'll be into April before deliveries begin so there'll be little way to go yet with it.

ACitizenErased

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Should this be a cause for concern? I hope not.

https://wkzo.com/2021/03/08/vaccine-response-may-be-weaker-in-elderly-merck-drug-shows-promise-in-reducing-virus-level/

That's only measuring antibody levels, there is way more to immunity than just antibodies. Also hasn't been peer reviewed yet so massive pinch of salt.

lee_baby_simms

Should this be a cause for concern? I hope not.

https://wkzo.com/2021/03/08/vaccine-response-may-be-weaker-in-elderly-merck-drug-shows-promise-in-reducing-virus-level/

seamus

jackryan34 wrote: »

Can anyone answer this?

Can't see it on HSE site

This question hasn't been answered yet, I expect they have yet to update their guidance.

For the time being if you're a close contact, then your vaccination status will be irrelevant. This is because you may still be capable of transmitting the infection even if you're vaccinated/asymptomatic. So close contacts will still have to restrict movements and get tested twice.

As time moves on it'll likely be updated. Probably just a single test after 7 days and if that's negative then you're grand.

is_that_so

jackryan34 wrote: »

Dont really get it either

If all the vulnerable are vaccinated why do any businesses need to be closed?

Vulnerable are protected and others will be in little danger from the virus

Why would you only let vaccinated mingle in restaurants?

Vaccine doesn't stop transmission completely, they are incredibly effective at keeping people out of hospital and non vulnerable are more likely to have no symptoms than be sick so no threat to health service

Who's more likely to use the health service vaccinated 65+ year olds or healthy young non vaccinated people

And if we are going down that vaccinated only route in restaurants, cinemas.etc

Why didn't we let people under 25 into restaurants, cinemas etc all along, they are at less danger of dieing of Covid than vaccinated 70 year olds

We dont discriminate by age but we discriminate by pharmacology?

The problem with this idea of vaccinated people getting preferences is that there is a view that this is over once we complete Groups 1-8 or maybe even after Group 4 so it will be very hard to convince people to continue. They certainly won't tolerate a scenario where large numbers will be prevented from doing specific activities.

odyssey06

jackryan34 wrote: »

Can anyone answer this?

Can't see it on HSE site

You should assume yes you have to self-isolate.
Vaccines do not guarantee prevention of transmission.

jackryan34

"jackryan34 wrote:

If you've got your full vaccine dosages and sit for a meal with a confirmed pcr covid case for a long time do you have to self isolate for 2 weeks?

Can anyone answer this?

Can't see it on HSE site

is_that_so

wadacrack wrote: »

Given how effective this vaccine is. Some good news this week about J & J would be really welcome

FDA approval suggests it is a given, but some Ts and Is to be taken care of!

wadacrack

Given how effective this vaccine is. Some good news this week about J & J would be really welcome

SnuggyBear

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

No. Not until everyone has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the whole "we're all in this together". And it'd be likely to lead to wholesale abandonment of social distancing measures.

So your version of all in this together is to keep business closed and people out of work while other people can work away at home?

is_that_so

Cork2021 wrote: »

Us as in EU Is what I meant

I think there's a lot of robbing Peter to pay Paul in their management of deliveries worldwide at present.

Cork2021

is_that_so wrote: »

Everyone apart from the UK is being screwed by them. I do hope that some doses are making their way to COVAX.

Us as in EU Is what I meant

is_that_so

Cork2021 wrote: »

I do like being positive, but it does look like we’re being screwed by AstraZeneca, we face vaccine shortfalls UK gets increases

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1369073411113299968?s=21

Everyone apart from the UK is being screwed by them. I do hope that some doses are making their way to COVAX.

Cork2021

I do like being positive, but it does look like we’re being screwed by AstraZeneca, we face vaccine shortfalls UK gets increases

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1369073411113299968?s=21

Happydays2020

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

No. Not until everyone has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the whole "we're all in this together". And it'd be likely to lead to wholesale abandonment of social distancing measures.

Why? Do you want to keep everything shut and the young people face the debt? Older people cannot enjoy themselves while young people remain miserable.

Shutting businesses is extraordinary. People will need to realise that things have to open up as soon as possible.

Anything that can safely open things up should be on the table even if there are restrictions still on some other people.

is_that_so

Dhenalau wrote: »

Is is a joke as expected:
Around 3% of population fully vaccinated, Dept says
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1200975-hse-coronavirus-briefing/

My wife older parents 78 and 80 (in Meath) are still waiting for their vaccine call

I do not understand why Nphet is even thinking of easing the restriction for vaccinated people when we are at such a low rate...
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nphet-to-examine-potential-of-additional-freedoms-for-people-vaccinated-1093051.html

The under 80s are not being done yet. There are also currently doing about 4 groups simultaneously. Examining the potential doesn't mean they'll recommend doing it.

[Deleted User]

Dhenalau wrote: »

Is is a joke as expected:
Around 3% of population fully vaccinated, Dept says
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1200975-hse-coronavirus-briefing/

My wife older parents 78 and 80 (in Meath) are still waiting for their vaccine call

I do not understand why Nphet is even thinking of easing the restriction for vaccinated people when we are at such a low rate...
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nphet-to-examine-potential-of-additional-freedoms-for-people-vaccinated-1093051.html

Why not?

jackryan34

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

No. Not until everyone has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the whole "we're all in this together". And it'd be likely to lead to wholesale abandonment of social distancing measures.

Why vaccination only?

They only have antibodies for the spike protein.Not the whole virus

People who got a natural infection recently are far less likely to transmit the virus and get infected again than the vaccinated.

Its why they dont have to self isolate after being in contact with a confirmed pcr covid case and vaccinated do

If youve got your full vaccine dosages and sit for a meal with a confirmed pcr covid case for a long time do you have to self isolate for 2 weeks?

GeorgeBailey

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Yes. And we should start opening up pubs and restaurants and shops etc for everyone who is vaccinated.

No. Not until everyone has been offered a vaccine. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the whole "we're all in this together". And it'd be likely to lead to wholesale abandonment of social distancing measures.

Irish Stones

stefanovich wrote: »

Not exactly the richest set of countries. Money?

Aren't Belgium and Luxembourg rich?

eoinbn

Elessar wrote: »

Mid May for full vaccination.

With the pace it's going it seems like almost everyone in the country is either elderly or has serious health problems.

If AZ is approved for the over 70s then first doses could be done much earlier but second doses would be pushed out until June/July.

Irish Stones

chrisbonnie wrote: »

https://www.rt.com/russia/517540-italy-eu-sputnik-vaccine-production/

Italy have signed a deal to produce the sputnik vaccine. Interesting times.

If it true we don't have any facilities here in Ireland that can produce vaccines?

It will take months/a year at least to see the first vial coming out of an Italian facility. When the first vial comes out, that kind of vaccine will be obsolete.

Irish Stones

Dressoutlet wrote: »

And there's still people saying there's no point taking the vaccine because they don't stop transmission.

They never said the vaccine stops transmission.

Dhenalau

Is is a joke as expected:
Around 3% of population fully vaccinated, Dept says
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1200975-hse-coronavirus-briefing/

My wife older parents 78 and 80 (in Meath) are still waiting for their vaccine call

I do not understand why Nphet is even thinking of easing the restriction for vaccinated people when we are at such a low rate...
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nphet-to-examine-potential-of-additional-freedoms-for-people-vaccinated-1093051.html