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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Maybe I'm being cynical but I can't see countries dishing out their excess doses anytime soon - i.e. the idea that Ireland or Canada will be getting doses from the UK. The last few % of people will take a while to vaccinate and I think countries will be pretty reluctant to give up doses whilst they're unsure of the need for boosters etc.

By the time they're ready to give anything away we'll probably not need any

hmmm

AdamD wrote: »

Maybe I'm being cynical but I can't see countries dishing out their excess doses anytime soon - i.e. the idea that Ireland or Canada will be getting doses from the UK. The last few % of people will take a while to vaccinate and I think countries will be pretty reluctant to give up doses whilst they're unsure of the need for boosters etc.

By the time they're ready to give anything away we'll probably not need any

Absolutely, but that doesn't pay the salaries for those proposing simplistic solutions in newspaper articles ("Sputnik", "let's just get their spare doses", "buy some more"). I'm surprised no-one has proposed nationalising a pharmaceutical plant or some creamery somewhere and start manufacturing an indigenous vaccine.

mick087

JTMan wrote: »

A simple strategy for GPs when patients refuse to get a vaccine ... Call and ask why ...

https://twitter.com/drmarkporter/status/1368494757530509315?s=19

That's a big uptake of non takers 70% after a simple phone call.
Sounds like it a really good idea.

Renault 5

timsey tiger wrote: »

Then I guess you would also support the EU in banning any vaccine exports until the EU has what it needs.

Whether I support it or not, they seem to be doing it anyway until the order which was agreed is delivered.

is_that_so

Renault 5 wrote: »

Weather I support it or not, they seem to be doing it anyway until the order which was agreed is delivered.

Whether the weather is warm, whether the weather is hot, we have to put up with the weather, whether we like it or not!

snotboogie

Israel have reached 100 vaccines doses per 100 people.

trellheim

Here;s the hard data on deliveries already made to Ireland to end Feb . I can't seem to post the embedded PNG file as a pic .

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/dd66b-statement-on-covid-19-vaccine-supplies/

this should allow some math for stats on how quick they are getting delivered shots into arms

VG31

trellheim wrote: »

Here;s the hard data on deliveries already made to Ireland to end Feb . I can't seem to post the embedded PNG file as a pic .

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/dd66b-statement-on-covid-19-vaccine-supplies/

this should allow some math for stats on how quick they are getting delivered shots into arms

Inspect element is your friend

CrabRevolution

hmmm wrote: »

Absolutely, but that doesn't pay the salaries for those proposing simplistic solutions in newspaper articles ("Sputnik", "let's just get their spare doses", "buy some more"). I'm surprised no-one has proposed nationalising a pharmaceutical plant or some creamery somewhere and start manufacturing an indigenous vaccine.

I've seen more than a few "But we have pharmaceutical companies in Ireland, why aren't we making our own vaccines?"

Chris_5339762

All going well, glad the numbers are slowly going up. Can't wait till they get the 70 - 75 sorted though, I've a mother who is getting slowly sicker with an anxiety thing (maybe Parkinsons too) and she point blank refuses to go to the doctor (or even ring) until she's been vaccinated. This is dragging a bit now.

nocoverart

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

All going well, glad the numbers are slowly going up. Can't wait till they get the 70 - 75 sorted though, I've a mother who is getting slowly sicker with an anxiety thing (maybe Parkinsons too) and she point blank refuses to go to the doctor (or even ring) until she's been vaccinated. This is dragging a bit now.

Look into what medications your Mother maybe on for anxiety/depression, far from saying it is but there's such a thing as medically induced Parkinsons and with the right tweaks symptoms can be reversed.

FlubberJones

Friends of mine in the UK now booking their vaccinations online, feels like I'm living in a third world country here..

trellheim

Taoiseach in interview stated 500,000 vaccinations reached 6 march. Total to end Feb per graph above 520,000 delivered so about 1 week behind from "into-the-country" to "into-the-arm" so no major problems in that part.

So all focus then is as per Stephen Donnelly said, the manufacturers are fking with us on delivery schedules, and I quote

see https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2021-03-04/6/ etc

I thank the Deputy. Yes is the answer. We have a provisional schedule week by week for all of the vaccines. The problem, as we are all becoming painfully aware, is that while the schedules for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have broadly come on time - there were one or two changes to the Pfizer schedule which we got at late notice, but by and large they have been coming in on time - there has been huge uncertainty around AstraZeneca, and it has been frustrating on a number of different levels. First, its deliveries are not always arriving when they are meant to. Second, we are receiving very late notice of that. Third, unfortunately, it has on more than one occasion forecast down the total volumes. AstraZeneca remains a very serious concern in terms of reliability and volume.

Very little info from AZ at the moment. Does anyone know more ?

josip

Not what either AZ or the EU vaccine program needed right now.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/covid-19-austria-suspends-batch-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-as-precaution-after-death-1.4503567

Deusexmachina

hmmm wrote: »

Absolutely, but that doesn't pay the salaries for those proposing simplistic solutions in newspaper articles ("Sputnik", "let's just get their spare doses", "buy some more"). I'm surprised no-one has proposed nationalising a pharmaceutical plant or some creamery somewhere and start manufacturing an indigenous vaccine.

Well. this is a national emergency. We need to save lives and restart our economy.

Is it so ridiculous for a country with 9 of the Top 10 Pharma companies, 50 FDA approved Pharma & Biopharma plants, €80 billion annual exports - the 3rd largest exporter in the world?

Perhaps we need to get very real about this and stop being so bloody passive.

adam240610

josip wrote: »

Not what either AZ or the EU vaccine program needed right now.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/covid-19-austria-suspends-batch-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-as-precaution-after-death-1.4503567

"No evidence of cause related to vaccination, state health body says"

This is the first line in the article... What a load of rubbish

eagle eye

adam240610 wrote:

"No evidence of cause related to vaccination, state health body says"

This is the first line in the article... What a load of rubbish

An investigation has to be carried out. It's better to be safe and pull the vaccine until the investigation is complete.
It doesn't tell us much there but I'd imagine these illnesses came out of nowhere and both having taken the vaccine has to be examined.

eagle eye

adam240610 wrote:

"No evidence of cause related to vaccination, state health body says"

This is the first line in the article... What a load of rubbish

ACitizenErased

adam240610 wrote: »

"No evidence of cause related to vaccination, state health body says"

This is the first line in the article... What a load of rubbish

Complete and utter clickbait

adam240610

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Complete and utter clickbait

Worst part is these headlines can and are actively harming the vaccine roll out

Micky 32

eagle eye wrote: »

An investigation has to be carried out. It's better to be safe and pull the vaccine until the investigation is complete.
It doesn't tell us much there but I'd imagine these illnesses came out of nowhere and both having taken the vaccine has to be examined.

Of course, better to be sure. People die of natural causes or other causes all the time and when you have millions vaccinated you eventually come across someone who’s going to die. There’s eventually going to be stories of people going home from the vaccination centres that drop dead from a heart attack on their way home that has nothing to do with the vaccine.

BlondeBomb

Is the reason they are starting with high risk 18-69 next week because they won’t give the Astra to the over 70s?

is_that_so

BlondeBomb wrote: »

Is the reason they are starting with high risk 18-69 next week because they won’t give the Astra to the over 70s?

No, they were moved up in priority as a group. They can probably get any of the three vaccines. The over 70s are ongoing.

Deathofcool

A nice table summary here. 100% protection from deaths in all trials is outstanding

https://twitter.com/DrNeilStone/status/1368498649521610755?s=19

iamwhoiam

I was listening to Virgin news and it seems group 4 ( those at very high risk ) will be notified by hospital not GP’s and vaccinated in the hospitals .

brickster69

josip wrote: »

Not what either AZ or the EU vaccine program needed right now.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/covid-19-austria-suspends-batch-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-as-precaution-after-death-1.4503567

Here we go again :rolleyes:

braychelsea

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-in-ireland-high-risk-patients-must-wait-for-vaccine-notice-msfxj8ng9

Dr Colm Henry said the complex task of drafting cohort four of the national vaccination programme would not be completed before the end of March because of the need to contact GPs, hospital consultants and disability groups in order to identify those at most risk.

Example of perfect being the enemy of good

Micky 32

brickster69 wrote: »

Here we go again :rolleyes:

These articles will be become common place for a while as the masses are vaccinated whether the vaccine caused it or not.

CrabRevolution

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Well. this is a national emergency. We need to save lives and restart our economy.

Is it so ridiculous for a country with 9 of the Top 10 Pharma companies, 50 FDA approved Pharma & Biopharma plants, €80 billion annual exports - the 3rd largest exporter in the world?

Perhaps we need to get very real about this and stop being so bloody passive.

Can you spell out the practicalities of this though? What does the government do to force these multinational giants to start producing vaccines here just for the Irish market?

Companies like pfizer have 100s of plants worldwide, yet still only manufacture the vaccine in a small number of them. If it was as simple as forcing them to retool every plant to make vaccines I'm sure every government would have tried it by now.

Turtwig

braychelsea wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-in-ireland-high-risk-patients-must-wait-for-vaccine-notice-msfxj8ng9

Dr Colm Henry said the complex task of drafting cohort four of the national vaccination programme would not be completed before the end of March because of the need to contact GPs, hospital consultants and disability groups in order to identify those at most risk.

Example of perfect being the enemy of good

Has the detailed list of criteria for cohort 4 been published yet?