brickster69 wrote: » Put it's orders in nice and early ( 30 mn ). Also helped with the various trials and development, so probably those things help in getting good and early access.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » Were it a free-for-all with all EU countries competing against each other for vaccines, Ireland would almost certainly be well down the supply list. Without block buying, the bigger countries would be looking after themselves, to think otherwise would be naive.
Irish Times wrote: Efforts to secure extra vaccines through so-called “vaccine bazaars”, where European countries offer up spare doses, have had limited success. The Department of Health confirmed Ireland requested two million doses through this channel, but received only 138,000. Such channels are now little used as most countries are taking their full allocations.
brickster69 wrote: » That is true, you can also be sure that those health ministers and staff had good working relationships with the companies involved and had concluded thousands of purchase agreements with them in the past. As well as understanding the complexities and delays that could happen. You just don't delegate a job so critical to people who have no experience in that sector.
hynesie08 wrote: » https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1368159931023716356?s=20
landofthetree wrote: » Israel proves otherwise.
Danzy wrote: » I would get it, the data has been peer reviewed. Given that the EU vaccination program has been described as "a total shi7 show" and "complete fiasco" by 2 of the most committed supporters of the EU project then yes, it is better to look at other options as well. Blind loyalty is only Jingoism and head bowing, its not a result. The countries at the top of the European rollout have taken that approach. When you are in a severe crisis and the person you are relying on keeps ducking up, then it is correct to have back up plans. Look at the Danish and Greeks arranging their own Covid passport plans. Tourism is a mass employer in both, surprisingly nearly important in scale to both in employment. Solidarity is a buzzword, now reduced to a dinner party cliché. There is no shame in getting the job done, saving lives and saving people's future economic well being. It's a lack of enthusiasm or concern that has led to this. Though the EU has been severely embarrassed over the last 2 months and is pulling the finger out now That pressure needs to be maintained so the Digital Passport doesn't miss the Summer.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » No it doesn't. There is a limited supply of vaccines at present. If Ireland had purchased outside the EU procurement, we would have been competing against much bigger countries or against the remainder of the EU. In either scenario, we are unlikely to have been able to secure more vaccines as we have no advantage in negotiations. If any EU country had obtained more than its per population proportion, that reduces the amount available to everyone else. To think larger EU countries which have been worse hit by the pandemic, or the entireremainder of EU, were just going to allow Ireland it alone and buy up vaccines which they could instead have for themselves is laughable.
ACitizenErased wrote: » We've just crossed the 500k mark according to the Taoiseach on Twitter
Deleted User wrote: » 146K of those are 2nd doses so we have just over 328K people in total vaccinated - out of a population of 5 million........and today is 6th March. I sincerely hope this is speeded up - significantly.
Pete_Cavan wrote: No it doesn't. By definition, very few countries can obtain vaccines on a similar level to Israel. There is a limited supply of vaccines at present. If Ireland had purchased outside the EU procurement, we would have been competing against much bigger countries or against the remainder of the EU. In either scenario, we are unlikely to have been able to secure more vaccines as we have no advantage in negotiations. If any EU country had obtained more than its per population proportion, that reduces the amount available to everyone else. To think larger EU countries which have been worse hit by the pandemic, or the entireremainder of EU, were just going to allow Ireland it alone and buy up vaccines which they could instead have for themselves is laughable.
eoinbn wrote: » Are they not given a time slot? Even though it is outside it doesn't seem wise to have hundreds to people standing together. There are figures out of Israel that suggest people are more likely to get covid soon after getting the vaccine. It could well be down to a change in behaviour but could also be the process of getting vaccinated that leads to getting covid. Even ignoring covid it doesn't seem wise to have 80+ year olds standing around for hours in the cold.
[Deleted User] wrote: » 146K of those are 2nd doses so we have just over 328K people in total vaccinated - out of a population of 5 million........and today is 6th March. I sincerely hope this is speeded up - significantly.
Klonker wrote: » I'm far from a supporter of the government during covid but I think the criticism received so far in terms of the rollout has been very very harsh, bordering on ridiculous. I'm not talking about getting the vaccines which is a separate and more of an EU issue but the actual roll out of vaccines we have received. Batches received and expected to receive are changing all the time. Who can get what vaccine has changed and will possibly change again. A rollout this big is always going to cause some logistic problems and there will be even more when we ramp up to 1m doses a month. As long as we get more things right than wrong that's whats important. No country will have the perfect rollout.
Knex* wrote: » Think you have the numbers wrong there. Its 500k have received their first vaccine. Of that 500k, 146k+ (this number is outdated) have received a 2nd dose. The numbers from yesterday, before we hit the 500k mark, were: ‣ First dose: 328,598 (+12,542) ‣ Second dose: 146,047 (+1,466) ‣ Total: 474,645 (+14,008) The first dose number isn't including the 146k who have already had the 2nd dose. But obviously to get a 2nd you've had to have had a 1st...
[Deleted User] wrote: » your right, thanks for correction!
Sweet.Science wrote: » Couple beside me got their vaccines . Thought they would keep it to themselves Father in law works in the HSE How much is this happening out there ?
Van.Bosch wrote: » You were right originally, 500,000 doses in total isn’t 500,000 with first dose.
Danzy wrote: » Is there a degree of vaccine skepticism in Europe. There certainly is more than in the rest of the Western world. While incompetency and bad planning are part of it, there is also a lethargy behind, what German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz has described as "a total shi7 show". Bloomberg talking here about the EU vaccine passport issues.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-03/eu-vaccine-passports-for-travel-still-months-away-memo-shows It's frankly amazing that an issue which concerns 10% of EU GDP, and is mostly hitting the countries still barely ahead of the debt curve from the great crash is not a done deal or at least already a project well in motion. Countries need to have their own plans in place, if they depend on tourism, the Danish and Greeks are moving quickly here, 3 months will turn in to more with dispute, continual changes and arguing and corrections. Just in case this becomes nother shi7 show. Concerning to see the UK variant at 40% of all cases in Germany now, hopefully they will not see a 3rd wave.
eagle eye wrote: » Such negativity.
LuckyLloyd wrote: » If it's happening it is extremely extremely rare and was related to the initial few week period where distributors were faced with 'use it or lose it' choices. However absent of proof I will very comfortably assume your post is a lie.
astrofool wrote: To even start with 1, you're against vaccine passports, would you sell all your data for access to a vaccine a few months earlier?
eagle eye wrote: » No
astrofool wrote: Such negativity.
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