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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Indestructable

User142 wrote: »

Boards.ie was not where I was expecting to reread the Brexiteer take on the vaccines situation I was seeing on twitter all day.

Yes, it's after getting extremely tedious.

brickster69

User142 wrote: »

Boards.ie was not where I was expecting to reread the Brexiteer take on the vaccines situation I was seeing on twitter all day.

Nothing to do with Brexit to be fair. Just when someone calls you a liar then you should defend yourself.

A bit of a shame some people get Anti UK / AZ for some stupid reason. No doubt 100's of millions of other people on the planet will take the opposite view though in due course.

Ten of Swords

Thread has gone off the rails a bit tonight. Discuss the politics of it in the AZ thread if you wish

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058153426

Let's stick to Vaccine deployment and testing here please

eoinbn

To get away from the doom and gloom for a bit.

Novartis to help Curevac

That is 3 heavy weights backing Curevac - Bayer, GSK and now Novartis. It won't be of any help to us in the short term but the data coming out of the Curevac trials must be promising with the names they have rowing in behind them.
Vaccine could be available in small quantities in June.

noplacehere

I’m a little confused reading Twitter tonight. I’m group 4 so was delighted to hear the news that it’s starting next week. However they’re saying they’ll identify them from the hospitals but my understanding is there’s no digital files ? How is that going to work? No one will manually be checking millions of records surely?

And then I thought we were ramping up but apparently we’re not going to hit 100k next week either and they’re counting it over 8 days?

Can someone in this lovely thread of calmness help me understand if this is true?

Dressoutlet

noplacehere wrote: »

I’m a little confused reading Twitter tonight. I’m group 4 so was delighted to hear the news that it’s starting next week. However they’re saying they’ll identify them from the hospitals but my understanding is there’s no digital files ? How is that going to work? No one will manually be checking millions of records surely?

And then I thought we were ramping up but apparently we’re not going to hit 100k next week either and they’re counting it over 8 days?

Can someone in this lovely thread of calmness help me understand if this is true?

I spoke to my GP. He said he would be ringing his patients in group 4 and they would be invited to a vaccination clinic held in the surgery. That the release says 'hospital' as the vaccination clinics are part of the hospital, but the GP will be in contact. Perhaps you should Ring yours tomorrow to clarify however.

User142

noplacehere wrote: »

I’m a little confused reading Twitter tonight. I’m group 4 so was delighted to hear the news that it’s starting next week. However they’re saying they’ll identify them from the hospitals but my understanding is there’s no digital files ? How is that going to work? No one will manually be checking millions of records surely?

And then I thought we were ramping up but apparently we’re not going to hit 100k next week either and they’re counting it over 8 days?

Can someone in this lovely thread of calmness help me understand if this is true?

Colm Henry from the HSE has said GPs and advocacy groups will also help in the identification of group 4 individuals.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-hospital-figures-ireland-3-5371833-Mar2021/

irishgeo

noplacehere wrote: »

I’m a little confused reading Twitter tonight. I’m group 4 so was delighted to hear the news that it’s starting next week. However they’re saying they’ll identify them from the hospitals but my understanding is there’s no digital files ? How is that going to work? No one will manually be checking millions of records surely?

And then I thought we were ramping up but apparently we’re not going to hit 100k next week either and they’re counting it over 8 days?

Can someone in this lovely thread of calmness help me understand if this is true?

The people who are being bumped up are seriously ill. More than likely attending hospital for appointments on a weekly basis so it shouldn't take long to identify them.

speckle

Closest 80+er relative who has chosen done unexpectatively... this morning and hopefully saturday for our most fragile and oldest family member and its a complicated one... so fingers crossed. Next week we are hoping for a 3 in 1 day! So buzy bee.

Note our family are trying to instigate an aprox. 2hour/2 day/2 week protocol post each injection for keeping an eye on our seniors who have chosen to have the injection

-Serious reaction very close watch 2hours/
'post injection symptom close watch circa 2days/
-more watchful waiting relaxed but not totally...infection avoidance til optimal suposed point 2 weeks(circa 10/11 days)
We are being cautious ...its easier to remember 2/2/2 rule that we came up with independantly.

Can be done via a mix of 'in present'... or sitting outdoors...via mobile..skype..zoom..tech... baby monitor.. other health tech..thermometer/pulse oximeter ..window waving..neighbours and even no contact 14 days before isolation and8 then staying over with them during the duration. Remember do it in a matter afact way with no fear mongery or over crowding and with the persons consent... some might not want it at all.

Note..we probably take this and our choices a bit more seriously than other families due to a history of adverse reactions and non responders with previous vaccines/treatments/medicines.

marno21

I notice we got 86,400 AstraZeneca doses in February

We were originally told 80 million in Q1, which became 31 million. 31m = 341k for Ireland. So we should be getting 260k in March or else they will fall well short of their target.

Some joke of an organisation.

Charles Babbage

It is reported that only one quarter of the Moderna vaccines have been used in Ireland, I cannot quite find where this statistic is published, but it seems regrettable, if true.

astrofool

Charles Babbage wrote: »

It is reported that only one quarter of the Moderna vaccines have been used in Ireland, I cannot quite find where this statistic is published, but it seems regrettable, if true.

We can at most use 50% of the Moderna supplies at a time as the deliveries aren't predictable, and the rest are required for second doses.

lucernarian

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This system announced today is a disaster, they should have left it to gps to identify cohort 4. My father had to ring his diabetes clinic ( he had an issue with his machine). They confirmed that his levels were stable so he will not be in cohort 4. Technically his bmi is over 40 but they said that is nothing to do with them and they know nothing about referring him.

Him and I imagine many others will fall through the cracks now that it is out of gps hands.

What system was announced today? I missed that.

rtw

hynesie08 wrote: »

The GP's are claiming 200+ GP's didn't receive an allocation, HSE says less than 30.

Don't think GP's are lying, possibly exaggerating though......

No sign of my 86 year old grandparent getting an appointment, GP hasn't got vaccines and no idea when he's getting them. Very worrying to feel left behind hearing of other practices already moving onto the over 80s

wadacrack

I cant see Schools opening going well without proper safety protocols which are not in place, especially childcare and Primary Schools.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1367744596504158208

zuutroy

Dominant variant in every age group is also dominant in this age group. Not news really.

stephenjmcd

rtw wrote: »

No sign of my 86 year old grandparent getting an appointment, GP hasn't got vaccines and no idea when he's getting them. Very worrying to feel left behind hearing of other practices already moving onto the over 80s

Was addressed at yesterday's HSE press conference. Some GPs it looks like despite having less than 200 patients over the age of 70 decided not to buddy up with other practises & submitted orders, yet then they're shocked when the HSE tell them no to the order. The question was asked, if these practises had joined up with others as told to would they have got supplies quicker, the answer was yes, that was what was agreed but some practises have been difficult.

There's clearly some GPs who didn't bother doing what they were told to do and thought they'd get the supply anyway. They went against what had been agreed and now it has to be sorted out.

While there were issues with the delivery day for other practises, some assumed they were getting them on a Wednesday as had been the case but HSE changed to Friday

ixoy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Was addressed at yesterday's HSE press conference. Some GPs it looks like despite having less than 200 patients over the age of 70 decided not to buddy up with other practises & submitted orders,

The option for the mass vaccination centres was open to them too, I'd have thought. Certainly, that's what a GP I spoke to did where their practice, despite being quite large, hadn't gotten enough elderly patients.

rtw

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Was addressed at yesterday's HSE press conference. Some GPs it looks like despite having less than 200 patients over the age of 70 decided not to buddy up with other practises & submitted orders, yet then they're shocked when the HSE tell them no to the order. The question was asked, if these practises had joined up with others as told to would they have got supplies quicker, the answer was yes, that was what was agreed but some practises have been difficult.

There's clearly some GPs who didn't bother doing what they were told to do and thought they'd get the supply anyway. They went against what had been agreed and now it has to be sorted out.

While there were issues with the delivery day for other practises, some assumed they were getting them on a Wednesday as had been the case but HSE changed to Friday

Thanks, very frustrating being at the mercy of the GPs choices. Would have switched GP had we known but then again how could you know. 84 year old Grandmother has a different GP, think it's time to ring them up to avoid the same situation repeating itself over the coming weeks

is_that_so

ixoy wrote: »

The option for the mass vaccination centres was open to them too, I'd have thought. Certainly, that's what a GP I spoke to did where their practice, despite being quite large, hadn't gotten enough elderly patients.

The Helix in DCU has been used where practices have too few patients.

stephenjmcd

ixoy wrote: »

The option for the mass vaccination centres was open to them too, I'd have thought. Certainly, that's what a GP I spoke to did where their practice, despite being quite large, hadn't gotten enough elderly patients.

Yup there was a few options open, if there was a MVC like the Helix for example or the one in Cork then they could go there, if that wasn't available, join up with other smaller practises in the area for a vacination clinic.

Some look like they did neither and just submitted orders anyway

is_that_so

Some new acronyms for variants!

VUI - Variant under investigation
VOC - Variant of concern

Irish Stones

timsey tiger wrote: »

Surely, that is Italy has blocked it?

So they say, Italy blocked a shipment of AZ doses to Australia.
Italians, they never mind their own businesses... Now, what will Australia think of them?

stefanovich

Irish Stones wrote: »

So they say, Italy blocked a shipment of AZ doses to Australia.
Italians, they never mind their own businesses... Now, what will Australia think of them?

The EU certainly aren't fond of Australia anyway.

Beasty

wadacrack wrote: »

I cant see Schools opening going well without proper safety protocols which are not in place, especially childcare and Primary Schools.

Please take schools discussion to the relevant thread

Chawosfski

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup there was a few options open, if there was a MVC like the Helix for example or the one in Cork then they could go there, if that wasn't available, join up with other smaller practises in the area for a vacination clinic.

Some look like they did neither and just submitted orders anyway

I had assumed GPs surgeries would be a bottleneck for distribution and vaccination

Realistically they are mostly small scale outfits and not suitable for vaccination against a highly transmissible virus

Van.Bosch

Chawosfski wrote: »

I had assumed GPs surgeries would be a bottleneck for distribution and vaccination

Realistically they are mostly small scale outfits and not suitable for vaccination against a highly transmissible virus

Yeah, I would have thought MVCs would be so much more efficient but maybe for elderly people, going to their GP is preferable due to familiarity and proximity.

Russman

Chawosfski wrote: »

I had assumed GPs surgeries would be a bottleneck for distribution and vaccination

Realistically they are mostly small scale outfits and not suitable for vaccination against a highly transmissible virus

I know what my own GP did was when the shipment of vaccines arrived they shut the practice to normal patients and just did vaccinations all day. 2 GPs and a nurse.

Call me Al

Are all over 70s pencilled in to be vaccinated by their GPs in their surgeries or are those on the younger end of this scale likely to be redirected to one of the bigger vaccine centres?

Russman

Call me Al wrote: »

Are all over 70s pencilled in to be vaccinated by their GPs in their surgeries or are those on the younger end of this scale likely to be redirected to one of the bigger vaccine centres?

It depends on the size of the practice. One friend of the family who is 81 got a call from his GP the other day to tell him he was being done in the Helix this saturday. Our family GP was able to tell my father (who is 76) that he'd be done over in the GP's practice and was even able to give him a likely date in 3 weeks.