COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Knex* wrote: »

That wouldn't inspire you with great confidence.

They are also fast disabusing us of the notion that the EU were primarily at fault.

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

65 small practices according to HSE with a total over 85 population of 800 are proving difficult.

20-25 practices impacted impacted by supply issues this week be it no supply or less supply than expected and these are currently being worked through for delivery in the coming days.

NAS now involved in the house bound vaccinations for all over 70s so that is being dealt with.

Vast majority of over 85s completed this week bar some of the above mentioned. It's pretty much on schedule they say.

To be fair to them the issues seem to be getting ironed out

Good the issues are getting ironed out and I do hope they deliver what they promised

We'll wait and see on that point

stefanovich wrote: »

How are countries that ordered early, paid more and ordered excess faring with supply?

There are very few of those, both the US & UK have access to supplies produced in country.

average_runner

Elessar wrote: »

They are an absolute joke. The 25k not delivered last week which were due to be delivered by this weekend are now again pushed out to the end of March. Expect another number of "rebalancing" (read: delay) in supplies next week, and on and on.

Basically they don't know what is happening, they trying to be positive but in the end are causing more frustration. They should be just honest and say there is alot of uncertainty over the numbers so we can't predict the vaccine number per week.

Manach

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NAS now involved in the house bound vaccinations for all over 70s so that is being dealt with.

NAS = National Ambulance Service?

Thanks for the info. I've not been able to find actionable information for the situation for those housebound, as while the HSE have been saying that plans are in place for that group, they do reveal exactly what those are.

Manach wrote: »

NAS = National Ambulance Service?

Thanks for the info. I've not been able to find actionable information for the situation for those housebound, as while the HSE have been saying that plans are in place for that group, they do reveal exactly what those are.

Yeah National Ambulance Service, was said at the press conference a few minutes ago that with the Ambulance Service its being worked on as they speak & that NAS would be the ones doing homebound vaccination

average_runner

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And you need at least 200+ over the age of 70 for in practice delivery.

The biggest practices were in the trial run in week 1 of the 85+ rollout

That is not actually true. Down home practices got theirs the first week and wouldn't be that big, actually down home said all over 85's were done in the first week for the county!!

The practices here, are very big and easily over a 1000 70 year olds in the clinic. The Doctors in the clinics got their vaccine which was great.

HSE is filling you with stories that change again the following week.

All the people want is the truth and not make up positive news they can't deliver. That causes more harm to people.

ACitizenErased

average_runner wrote: »

That is not actually true. Down home practices got theirs the first week and wouldn't be that big, actually down home said all over 85's were done in the first week for the county!!

The practices here, are very big and easily over a 1000 70 year olds in the clinic. The Doctors in the clinics got their vaccine which was great.

HSE is filling you with stories that change again the following week.

All the people want is the truth and not make up positive news they can't deliver. That causes more harm to people.

Or the GP in your town is wrong?

average_runner wrote: »

That is not actually true. Down home practices got theirs the first week and wouldn't be that big, actually down home said all over 85's were done in the first week for the county!!

The practices here, are very big and easily over a 1000 70 year olds in the clinic. The Doctors in the clinics got their vaccine which was great.

HSE is filling you with stories that change again the following week.

All the people want is the truth and not make up positive news they can't deliver. That causes more harm to people.

Right so you don't actually know how many patients are in the practices near you, nor do you know the number over 70, your just guessing.

I know my own grandmothers practice is known widely as having the highest medical card numbers in the county (it's been made public knowledge enough times) and they got theirs first week and all done in a few days.... so we all have anecdotal evidence. My own GP also completed in a few days.

If those practices near you were that large with 200+ over 70's, they'd be done by now and if not by today by end of this week. Your quite clearly going to have a go at the HSE anyway despite nearly all 85 + being completed on time.

positron

India has started vaccinating millions for free. Most front-line workers were vaccinated in last couple of weeks, and now regular people over 60 is getting them. Free of cost. I am not saying this based on some media news - I personally know over a dozen people who have been vaccinated in last couple of days.

Indian Government is also making the vaccine available thru private hospitals - at a grand cost of - 250 rupees a dose, about €4. And hospitals are now gearing up to vaccinate 24 hours a day, non-stop. Where as we have GPs, waiting for vaccine drops and looking at the clock and staff hours, probably.

EU, for all it's first world benefits, has really bottled it when it comes to vaccinations!!!

is_that_so wrote: »

There are very few of those, both the US & UK have access to supplies produced in country.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/

This article suggests the UK just had a better contract than the EU. The UK were not forcing AZ's hand. So it does appear the EU messed up the contract.

average_runner wrote: »

Or i believe the GP that I go to. That he got none of his shipment last week, either did any GP in our area.

Any yet it's not actual news, the HSE mentioned this last week. You seem primed not to believe what the HSE says anyway.

stefanovich wrote: »

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/

This article suggests the UK just had a better contract than the EU. The UK were not forcing AZ's hand. So it does appear the EU messed up the contract.

We've long since moved past the contracts into real world supplies. That's not an actual EU purview. I don't think the EU are likely to take up any further options on AZ at this stage.

is_that_so wrote: »

We've long since moved past the contracts into real world supplies. That's not an actual EU purview. I don't think the EU are likely to take up any further options on AZ at this stage.

Yeah you wouldn't be doing any other deals with them anyway, Pfizer have proven they can deliver and seem much better set up in terms of being able to do get any extra contracts with.

If J&J can get supply out in good numbers it would be worth getting more from them too seeing as it's 1 dose

Scuid Mhór

This vaccine trajectory is an emotional rollercoaster.

is_that_so wrote: »

We've long since moved past the contracts into real world supplies. That's not an actual EU purview. I don't think the EU are likely to take up any further options on AZ at this stage.

Well that matters. The wording of the EU contract only required a "best effort" at supply. The UK contract was more strict. Probably why they paid more too.

The UK government did a better job than the EU.

Pending supply of course, next week 8th to 15th March

Long term care

Dose 1 - 500 (Pfizer)
Dose 2 - 11,000 (Pfizer)

FHCW
Dose 1 - 25,000 (AZ)
Dose 2 - 666 (Pfizer)

Over 70s
Dose 1 - 37,000 (Pfizer)

Cohort 4 as announced earlier today

Dose 1 - 10,000 (AZ)

Total planned - 84,166

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1367497688485363722?s=20

stefanovich wrote: »

Well that matters. The wording of the EU contract only required a "best effort" at supply. The UK contract was more strict. Probably why they paid more too.

The UK government did a better job than the EU.

Their best effort is pretty poor and they will still be unable to fulfil their contracted supplies into Q2. As others have have said, in an EU context, AZ are not reliable partners. J&J is coming, Pfizer ramping up and hopefully Curevac by June so what AZ do will be a whole lot less important.

KrustyUCC

15,000 below 100,000 figure next week so

19,000 below the 100,000 figure last week

Bit disappointing but can't give the supplies if the HSE haven't received them though

Sweet.Science

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pending supply of course, next week 8th to 15th March

Long term care

Dose 1 - 500 (Pfizer)
Dose 2 - 11,000 (Pfizer)

FHCW
Dose 1 - 25,000 (AZ)
Dose 2 - 666 (Pfizer)

Over 70s
Dose 1 - 37,000 (Pfizer)

Cohort 4 as announced earlier today

Dose 1 - 10,000 (AZ)

Total planned - 84,166

Still over 60k getting their 1st jab. Thats the way im looking at it . 60k who will no longer be amongst future cases, hospitalisations or deaths .

seamus

AZ are a mess of a company. One would have to wonder if they decided that their privileged position as the only vaccine to be stored at fridge temps was short-lived, so they're sending supplies to the countries paying the highest prices?

Once J&J come out with a single-shot, room-temp vaccine with better results than AZ it seems likely that demand for AZ amongst wealthier countries will collapse.

D.Q

seamus wrote: »

AZ are a mess of a company. One would have to wonder if they decided that their privileged position as the only vaccine to be stored at fridge temps was short-lived, so they're sending supplies to the countries paying the highest prices?

Once J&J come out with a single-shot, room-temp vaccine with better results than AZ it seems likely that demand for AZ amongst wealthier countries will collapse.

bit of a mental statement for a company that developed a vaccine for a novel virus within 12 months of it becoming prevalent. I appreciate people are frustrated but come on. There was always going to be logistical issues after the science side was sorted.

ACitizenErased

Tippbhoy1

seamus wrote: »

AZ are a mess of a company. One would have to wonder if they decided that their privileged position as the only vaccine to be stored at fridge temps was short-lived, so they're sending supplies to the countries paying the highest prices?

Once J&J come out with a single-shot, room-temp vaccine with better results than AZ it seems likely that demand for AZ amongst wealthier countries will collapse.

AZ are just not a big player when it comes to global production and it’s really showing now. It’s a real pity for Oxford that they had to succumb to the political pressure of Boris and co when they wanted to partner with Merck. It’s worked out well for the UK but not much for anyone else. If the UK hadn’t taken all the original supply from the EU factories as well, I wonder would they be struggling now too. Either way, I’d say we won’t be seeing much more of AZ in Europe in a few months

timsey tiger

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Still over 60k getting their 1st jab. Thats the way im looking at it . 60k who will no longer be amongst future cases, hospitalisations or deaths .

In ~ three weeks time. There are several reports of increases in cases just after the jab. Most commentors I've seen have victim blamed, by saying that they must have left their guard down and changed their behavour. I haven't seen any question, if maybe some got it while getting the vaccine. It is not like nobody got the virus in a health care setting.

timsey tiger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1367497688485363722?s=20

:eek:

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

AZ are just not a big player when it comes to global production and it’s really showing now. It’s a real pity for Oxford that they had to succumb to the political pressure of Boris and co when they wanted to partner with Merck. It’s worked out well for the UK but not much for anyone else. If the UK hadn’t taken all the original supply from the EU factories as well, I wonder would they be struggling now too. Either way, I’d say we won’t be seeing much more of AZ in Europe in a few months

The EU had a crap contract and fought over price.

[Deleted User]

This system announced today is a disaster, they should have left it to gps to identify cohort 4. My father had to ring his diabetes clinic ( he had an issue with his machine). They confirmed that his levels were stable so he will not be in cohort 4. Technically his bmi is over 40 but they said that is nothing to do with them and they know nothing about referring him.

Him and I imagine many others will fall through the cracks now that it is out of gps hands.