COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

stefanovich wrote: »

AZ are a private company with multiple contracts with multiple countries. The EU contract is weak. They are not playing by the rules and just trying to cover up their incompetence. This sort of hostile behaviour is reckless.

You've read the contract? Half of it was redacted

ACitizenErased wrote: »

AstraZeneca can't meet deliveries and decide to send 250k abroad yet the EU is irrational?

AZ are a private company with multiple contracts with multiple countries. The EU contract is weak. They are not playing by the rules and just trying to cover up their incompetence. This sort of hostile behaviour is reckless.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1367497688485363722?s=20

Why is it always European factories that Australia and Canada have to rely on? America's greediness needs to be highlighted more tbh.

timsey tiger wrote: »

It is not a statement it is a question. It turns out thet the UK actually signed their contract the day after the EU not months before as has been widely reported and it was very similar. The UK are also paying more per dose and have stuck their noses in all over so who knows what levers have been pulled.

They also have a much better contract.

stefanovich wrote: »

The EU are starting to behave very irrationally. von der Leyen is way out of her depth and should quit before she causes more chaos.

AstraZeneca can't meet deliveries and decide to send 250k abroad yet the EU is irrational?

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1367497688485363722?s=20

That ain't going to go down well when 50% of the EU supply from AZ for Q2 is expected to come from outside the bloc. Whatever about the delivery schdule being all over the place, the last thing anyone needs is vaccines being held up coming in or going out

timsey tiger

D.Q wrote: »

bit of a mental statement for a company that developed a vaccine for a novel virus within 12 months of it becoming prevalent. I appreciate people are frustrated but come on. There was always going to be logistical issues after the science side was sorted.

It is not a statement it is a question. It turns out thet the UK actually signed their contract the day after the EU not months before as has been widely reported and it was very similar. The UK are also paying more per dose and have stuck their noses in all over so who knows what levers have been pulled.

"Where there may be a significant difference is in which markets the drug company is prioritizing. Soriot confirmed to La Repubblica that his company had agreed to supply the UK before other markets, saying it was "fair enough" because the UK had reached an agreement with AstraZeneca earlier than the EU. But the UK's official contract is actually dated August 28, one day after the EU's contract." CNN

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1367497688485363722?s=20

The EU are starting to behave very irrationally. von der Leyen is way out of her depth and should quit before she causes more chaos.

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This system announced today is a disaster, they should have left it to gps to identify cohort 4. My father had to ring his diabetes clinic ( he had an issue with his machine). They confirmed that his levels were stable so he will not be in cohort 4. Technically his bmi is over 40 but they said that is nothing to do with them and they know nothing about referring him.

Him and I imagine many others will fall through the cracks now that it is out of gps hands.

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

AZ are just not a big player when it comes to global production and it’s really showing now. It’s a real pity for Oxford that they had to succumb to the political pressure of Boris and co when they wanted to partner with Merck. It’s worked out well for the UK but not much for anyone else. If the UK hadn’t taken all the original supply from the EU factories as well, I wonder would they be struggling now too. Either way, I’d say we won’t be seeing much more of AZ in Europe in a few months

The EU had a crap contract and fought over price.

timsey tiger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1367497688485363722?s=20

:eek:

timsey tiger

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Still over 60k getting their 1st jab. Thats the way im looking at it . 60k who will no longer be amongst future cases, hospitalisations or deaths .

In ~ three weeks time. There are several reports of increases in cases just after the jab. Most commentors I've seen have victim blamed, by saying that they must have left their guard down and changed their behavour. I haven't seen any question, if maybe some got it while getting the vaccine. It is not like nobody got the virus in a health care setting.

Tippbhoy1

seamus wrote: »

AZ are a mess of a company. One would have to wonder if they decided that their privileged position as the only vaccine to be stored at fridge temps was short-lived, so they're sending supplies to the countries paying the highest prices?

Once J&J come out with a single-shot, room-temp vaccine with better results than AZ it seems likely that demand for AZ amongst wealthier countries will collapse.

AZ are just not a big player when it comes to global production and it’s really showing now. It’s a real pity for Oxford that they had to succumb to the political pressure of Boris and co when they wanted to partner with Merck. It’s worked out well for the UK but not much for anyone else. If the UK hadn’t taken all the original supply from the EU factories as well, I wonder would they be struggling now too. Either way, I’d say we won’t be seeing much more of AZ in Europe in a few months

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1367497688485363722?s=20

D.Q

seamus wrote: »

AZ are a mess of a company. One would have to wonder if they decided that their privileged position as the only vaccine to be stored at fridge temps was short-lived, so they're sending supplies to the countries paying the highest prices?

Once J&J come out with a single-shot, room-temp vaccine with better results than AZ it seems likely that demand for AZ amongst wealthier countries will collapse.

bit of a mental statement for a company that developed a vaccine for a novel virus within 12 months of it becoming prevalent. I appreciate people are frustrated but come on. There was always going to be logistical issues after the science side was sorted.

seamus

AZ are a mess of a company. One would have to wonder if they decided that their privileged position as the only vaccine to be stored at fridge temps was short-lived, so they're sending supplies to the countries paying the highest prices?

Once J&J come out with a single-shot, room-temp vaccine with better results than AZ it seems likely that demand for AZ amongst wealthier countries will collapse.

Sweet.Science

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pending supply of course, next week 8th to 15th March

Long term care

Dose 1 - 500 (Pfizer)
Dose 2 - 11,000 (Pfizer)

FHCW
Dose 1 - 25,000 (AZ)
Dose 2 - 666 (Pfizer)

Over 70s
Dose 1 - 37,000 (Pfizer)

Cohort 4 as announced earlier today

Dose 1 - 10,000 (AZ)

Total planned - 84,166

Still over 60k getting their 1st jab. Thats the way im looking at it . 60k who will no longer be amongst future cases, hospitalisations or deaths .

KrustyUCC

15,000 below 100,000 figure next week so

19,000 below the 100,000 figure last week

Bit disappointing but can't give the supplies if the HSE haven't received them though

is_that_so

stefanovich wrote: »

Well that matters. The wording of the EU contract only required a "best effort" at supply. The UK contract was more strict. Probably why they paid more too.

The UK government did a better job than the EU.

Their best effort is pretty poor and they will still be unable to fulfil their contracted supplies into Q2. As others have have said, in an EU context, AZ are not reliable partners. J&J is coming, Pfizer ramping up and hopefully Curevac by June so what AZ do will be a whole lot less important.

Pending supply of course, next week 8th to 15th March

Long term care

Dose 1 - 500 (Pfizer)
Dose 2 - 11,000 (Pfizer)

FHCW
Dose 1 - 25,000 (AZ)
Dose 2 - 666 (Pfizer)

Over 70s
Dose 1 - 37,000 (Pfizer)

Cohort 4 as announced earlier today

Dose 1 - 10,000 (AZ)

Total planned - 84,166

is_that_so wrote: »

We've long since moved past the contracts into real world supplies. That's not an actual EU purview. I don't think the EU are likely to take up any further options on AZ at this stage.

Well that matters. The wording of the EU contract only required a "best effort" at supply. The UK contract was more strict. Probably why they paid more too.

The UK government did a better job than the EU.

Scuid Mhór

This vaccine trajectory is an emotional rollercoaster.

is_that_so wrote: »

We've long since moved past the contracts into real world supplies. That's not an actual EU purview. I don't think the EU are likely to take up any further options on AZ at this stage.

Yeah you wouldn't be doing any other deals with them anyway, Pfizer have proven they can deliver and seem much better set up in terms of being able to do get any extra contracts with.

If J&J can get supply out in good numbers it would be worth getting more from them too seeing as it's 1 dose

is_that_so

stefanovich wrote: »

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/

This article suggests the UK just had a better contract than the EU. The UK were not forcing AZ's hand. So it does appear the EU messed up the contract.

We've long since moved past the contracts into real world supplies. That's not an actual EU purview. I don't think the EU are likely to take up any further options on AZ at this stage.

is_that_so

average_runner wrote: »

Or i believe the GP that I go to. That he got none of his shipment last week, either did any GP in our area.

Any yet it's not actual news, the HSE mentioned this last week. You seem primed not to believe what the HSE says anyway.

is_that_so wrote: »

There are very few of those, both the US & UK have access to supplies produced in country.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/

This article suggests the UK just had a better contract than the EU. The UK were not forcing AZ's hand. So it does appear the EU messed up the contract.

positron

India has started vaccinating millions for free. Most front-line workers were vaccinated in last couple of weeks, and now regular people over 60 is getting them. Free of cost. I am not saying this based on some media news - I personally know over a dozen people who have been vaccinated in last couple of days.

Indian Government is also making the vaccine available thru private hospitals - at a grand cost of - 250 rupees a dose, about €4. And hospitals are now gearing up to vaccinate 24 hours a day, non-stop. Where as we have GPs, waiting for vaccine drops and looking at the clock and staff hours, probably.

EU, for all it's first world benefits, has really bottled it when it comes to vaccinations!!!

average_runner wrote: »

That is not actually true. Down home practices got theirs the first week and wouldn't be that big, actually down home said all over 85's were done in the first week for the county!!

The practices here, are very big and easily over a 1000 70 year olds in the clinic. The Doctors in the clinics got their vaccine which was great.

HSE is filling you with stories that change again the following week.

All the people want is the truth and not make up positive news they can't deliver. That causes more harm to people.

Right so you don't actually know how many patients are in the practices near you, nor do you know the number over 70, your just guessing.

I know my own grandmothers practice is known widely as having the highest medical card numbers in the county (it's been made public knowledge enough times) and they got theirs first week and all done in a few days.... so we all have anecdotal evidence. My own GP also completed in a few days.

If those practices near you were that large with 200+ over 70's, they'd be done by now and if not by today by end of this week. Your quite clearly going to have a go at the HSE anyway despite nearly all 85 + being completed on time.