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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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ACitizenErased

my sources have told me the vaccination setup is incredible tbh

I know what I know. What I know says its an unreal setup.

stefanovich

ACitizenErased wrote: »

my sources have told me the vaccination setup is incredible tbh

I know what I know. What I know says its an unreal setup.

Incredibly bad? :pac:

FileNotFound

ixoy wrote: »

Your issue is with who got the vaccine then, not how the number of doses? I suspect the number of WFHs is not as high, as a percentage, as some think or as straight forward but no doubt it's far from perfect. Like pretty much every country.

I'd prefer the figures were of people that needed it most.

That is one of my issues alright. One of a few. Have mentioned some of them in the thread.

FileNotFound

josip wrote: »

So you badly communicated that it's the communication you're criticising?

I'm not payed for my comments so accuracy is in line with that.

Pity those we pay for vaccine rollout can do no better than me on a bad day...

If this was your best response I guess you must be lacking an actual counter argument?

is_that_so

FileNotFound wrote: »

I know what I know. What I know says its a piss poor setup.

Exactly as i have said a few times, if you can show me something that contradicts my opinion I will gladly review.

Otherwise........

You mean my anecdotes to your anecdotes? Yeah, sure. We all have "sources" we "trust". It doesn't mean they actually know things but they always think they do. The numbers vaccinated suggest that you've a few choice titbits of gossip that you've turned into evidence of widespread behaviour.

FileNotFound

ACitizenErased wrote: »

my sources have told me the vaccination setup is incredible tbh

I know what I know. What I know says its an unreal setup.

Amazing that so many in the know contradict each other. I guess thats proof its poorly run!!!!

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

my sources have told me the vaccination setup is incredible tbh

I know what I know. What I know says its an unreal setup.

My sources tell me absolutely nothing so I trust them completely!

ixoy

FileNotFound wrote: »

I'd prefer the figures were of people that needed it most.

That is one of my issues alright. One of a few. Have mentioned some of them in the thread.

Could you more clearly state what they are then in terms of vaccination? There's no need to be furtive. It wouldn't surprise me if these issues were common in other countries too, but in some cases are masked because they're ahead on vaccinations and gotten over the initial "bump" that is "who is a healthcare worker" and because we wouldn't hear about them anyway.

stefanovich

FileNotFound wrote: »

Amazing that so many in the know contradict each other. I guess thats proof its poorly run!!!!

The HSE is an efficient money burning machine.

FileNotFound

is_that_so wrote: »

You mean my anecdotes to your anecdotes? Yeah, sure. We all have "sources" we "trust". It doesn't mean they actually know things but they always think they do. The numbers vaccinated suggest that you've a few choice titbits of gossip that you've turned into evidence of widespread behaviour.

I don't come here expecting you to trust anything i type but i trust the ones informing me.

I merely come here and state my opinion based on the information available to me.

If it contradicts your view, then we disagree.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

FlubberJones wrote: »

Not according the this.... if you have "better" stats let me know

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

Your stats are out of date

FileNotFound

stefanovich wrote: »

The HSE is an efficient money burning machine.

That may be the most accurate post in this entire thread haha

ACitizenErased

Not sure if anyone posted but more vaccine news - Bharat Biotech Announces Phase 3 Results of COVAXIN®: India’s First COVID-19 Vaccine Demonstrates Interim Clinical Efficacy of 81%

https://www.bharatbiotech.com/images/press/covaxin-phase3-efficacy-results.pdf

is_that_so

FileNotFound wrote: »

I don't come here expecting you to trust anything i type but i trust the ones informing me.

I merely come here and state my opinion based on the information available to me.

If it contradicts your view, then we disagree.

No I don't expect to agree but we've managed to get to a level on these threads, however low that may be, where anecdotes and stating an opinion just don't cut it as evidence. I'm not the only one to draw attention to the absence of evidence of what you claim is true.

FileNotFound

is_that_so wrote: »

No I don't expect to agree but we've managed to get to a level on these threads, however low that may be, where anecdotes and stating an opinion just don't cut it as evidence. I'm not the only one to draw attention to the absence of evidence of what you claim is true.

By nature of this being told to me by a HSE employee specifically employed in a directly connected area of the HSE. (Nursing home issues)

Anecdotal is all that it can be. The fact it is true is unchanged by that, however it does present a conundrum when "proving" it to you indeed.

The fact that family members working in pharmacy's have shown me the mess that was their sign up for the vaccine and lack of info required and have seen their not at risk colleagues get called in for shots is also true, but alas anecdotal as that is all it can be.

The fact that a person living with me who works in the HSE and is doing so from home was called in for a vaccine (to their shock) and when questioning it was told "sure why complain", is once again going to be anecdotal but having been witness to it I am happy to stand over my points.

Sorry that their is no link where the HSE's issue with rollout are all summarised nicely for you.

VonLuck

Why can't people accept that we're doing well on the vaccine rollout? It seems to be a constant battle trying to convince people, yet all they have to do is look at the current vaccination figures.

Maybe they're worried that they've run out of things to complain about.

Pablo Escobar

VonLuck wrote: »

Why can't people accept that we're doing well on the vaccine rollout? It seems to be a constant battle trying to convince people, yet all they have to do is look at the current vaccination figures.

Maybe they're worried that they've run out of things to complain about.

It's not everyone. I genuinely think most get it and, therefore, don't feel the need to be heard on it. Empty vessels tend to make the most noise.

Squeaksoutloud

I know the two big Dublin Mass Vaccination Clinics are going live this week with a soft start with staff vaccinations only before members of the public start attending.. Citywest with 50 booths and Aviva has another 30 I think. So plenty of capacity in Dublin alone once the supplies come on stream. Not sure what space is in DCU but that must be increasing current capacity at least three or four fold.

eigrod

VonLuck wrote: »

Why can't people accept that we're doing well on the vaccine rollout? It seems to be a constant battle trying to convince people, yet all they have to do is look at the current vaccination figures.

Maybe they're worried that they've run out of things to complain about.

I agree to an extent but the problem is the Minister for Health saying everyone over the age of 85 will be vaccinated by the end of this week, but then people aged 90+ still haven’t heard from their GP or have appointments made this week only to receive a call an hour before the appointment to say the GP never received their allocation and don’t know when they will, that undermines confidence in the process. Added to that, those 90+ year olds are reading that others younger than them ahave received the vaccine in other areas of the country.

Communication, particularly from the Minister, is very bad.

Micky 32

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1367086151018958850?s=21

stephenjmcd

Squeaksoutloud wrote: »

I know the two big Dublin Mass Vaccination Clinics are going live this week with a soft start with staff vaccinations only before members of the public start attending.. Citywest with 50 booths and Aviva has another 30 I think. So plenty of capacity in Dublin alone once the supplies come on stream. Not sure what space is in DCU but that must be increasing current capacity at least three or four fold.

Also on the Aviva I believe that'll be run with assistance from the defence forces once it becomes a public MVC. Was recently stood down as a testing centre to be repurposed as a MVC

Cork2021

This!!

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1367142419188350976?s=21

VonLuck

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

It's not everyone. I genuinely think most get it and, therefore, don't feel the need to be heard on it. Empty vessels tend to make the most noise.

I'm not so sure. I've spoken to a number of educated people about the vaccine rollout and they were unaware of the supply issues. Maybe that's down to a general lack of interest / weariness of covid news or just poor communication from the government.

brickster69

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1367086151018958850?s=21

But, but ,but Macron said it was not effective in older people. The German press said it was only 8% efficeient. How could they be wrong ?

ixoy

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm not so sure. I've spoken to a number of educated people about the vaccine rollout and they were unaware of the supply issues. Maybe that's down to a general lack of interest / weariness of covid news or just poor communication from the government.

For Ireland, we're very close to the UK and so we see the level of vaccinations in NI and think, as it's going well there, Ireland being behind must mean we're doing awful as opposed to doing quite well to the UK outlier.
If you were in Germany and looking at your neighbours, there's probably less of an outcry because they're all at the same level, give or take.

irishlad.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit?usp=sharing

February done and dusted, looking forward to seeing some bigger numbers in the coming weeks!

Icantthinkof1

brickster69 wrote: »

.....The German press said it was only 8% efficeient. How could they be wrong ?

They must have forgotten to add the ‘0’ onto the end of the 8

brickster69

Good news

https://twitter.com/FactZoneAfrica/status/1367163775816671233

namloc1980

Is there any more information on who is in or out of Group 4? I am on immunosuppressing treatment not mentioned in Group 4 but I can't get any clarity on whether that incudes my treatment:

- treatment included but not limited to Cyclophosphamide, Rituximab, Alemtuzumab, Cladribine or Ocrelizumab in the last 6 months

Rang my GP and he said they had got no clarification from the HSE despite asking. Can't get any clarification on what the "but not limited to" actually means in terms of specifics.

Hector Savage

Spain (and most of Europe) at 8% first doses, moving at about 1% per week .... that;s 92 WEEKS left just for first doses.

The never ending sh1tshow ....