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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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funnydoggy

FlubberJones wrote: »

I usually avoid this board as it depresses me how poor the country is managing the vaccine rollout... read a few posts, depressed.

How long have you been away? 'Cos we're flying it in general and the news has been non-stop positive for at least 2 weeks now.

FlubberJones

I usually avoid this board as it depresses me how poor the country is managing the vaccine rollout... read a few posts, depressed.

hynesie08

mean gene wrote: »

Closed on Sundays no rush

Where you seeing that?

It will be used again for the next three weekends for this age group, before operating as a hub for GPs to administer vaccines to their patients aged 70 and over for the following weekends.

They will vaccinate an expected 2,500 people aged 70 and over by appointment over the coming weekends.

mean gene

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Already open

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40234868.html

Closed on Sundays no rush

Pablo Escobar

fawlty682 wrote: »

Only 700k more in March so. So far you couldn’t have confidence in a system which tells GPs vaccineswill be delivered on Thursday and then they don’t arrive. We need vaccine figures at least every Friday evening as well as the deaths and cases.

We get vaccine figures every day!

darem93

eigrod wrote: »

More stories on Liveline today of people 85+ not yet having their vaccine and getting calls this morning to cancel appointments as the GPs didn’t get their promised allocation. Very disappointing.

This really is so disheartening to see. It's crazy that up North people in their 60s are booking appointments online while our most vulnerable and elderly are having theirs cancelled.

fawlty682

Only 700k more in March so. So far you couldn’t have confidence in a system which tells GPs vaccineswill be delivered on Thursday and then they don’t arrive. We need vaccine figures at least every Friday evening as well as the deaths and cases.

stefanovich

ixoy wrote: »

Could be a bunch of things that are nothing to do with the EU, especially logistics of transportation which are trickier for Pfizer. Be curious to see if it's more common outside of Dublin where it becomes a bit more difficult to manage. Not an issue in the UK where they jabbed many more people with the easier to manage AZ.

Either way, the HSE could clarify where the fault is, be it supply, logistics, etc.

Well we do know that the US and USA spent more, bought surplus and were prioritised. No one can claim the EU didn't mess up.

is_that_so

ixoy wrote: »

Could be a bunch of things that are nothing to do with the EU, especially logistics of transportation which are trickier for Pfizer. Be curious to see if it's more common outside of Dublin where it becomes a bit more difficult to manage. Not an issue in the UK where they jabbed many more people with the easier to manage AZ.

Either way, the HSE could clarify where the fault is, be it supply, logistics, etc.

They did flag an issue at last week's briefing although that seemed to be more about remote GPs. Expect the question to be asked tomorrow.

ixoy

stefanovich wrote: »

That EU bureaucracy really is wonderful

Could be a bunch of things that are nothing to do with the EU, especially logistics of transportation which are trickier for Pfizer. Be curious to see if it's more common outside of Dublin where it becomes a bit more difficult to manage. Not an issue in the UK where they jabbed many more people with the easier to manage AZ.

Either way, the HSE could clarify where the fault is, be it supply, logistics, etc.

leahyl

josip wrote: »

Could be worse, you could be 54

Yeah, well apparently once you hit 35, you're assumed to be married off with no social life to speak of!

stefanovich

eigrod wrote: »

More stories on Liveline today of people 85+ not yet having their vaccine and getting calls this morning to cancel appointments as the GPs didn’t get their promised allocation. Very disappointing.

That EU bureaucracy really is wonderful

eigrod

More stories on Liveline today of people 85+ not yet having their vaccine and getting calls this morning to cancel appointments as the GPs didn’t get their promised allocation. Very disappointing.

josip

leahyl wrote: »

Nice....I’m 35 :-(

Could be worse, you could be 54

stephenjmcd

trellheim wrote: »

which is published where ?

The link was in my reply but I'll post again.

As of last week the expected delivery schedule included in the revised plan. If your looking for the official expected delivery schedule thats as close as your getting.

https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/resilience-recovery-2020-2021-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/

So far to end of Feb, actual deliveries are circa 60k short of expected.

trellheim

It's in a government document

which is published where ? I pointed out that even taking the revised figures it was still 100,000 off , including AZ shortfall, with no answers anywhere , I was also factoring in a delay between delivery and administration. The other figures I referred to were EU high end figures from the original and working back to Ireland population so both are "official"

leahyl

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Not that I'm aware of

There's even a possibility of 18-34 year olds getting priority

"Aged 18-54 years who did not have access to the vaccine in prior phases.

If evidence demonstrates the vaccine(s) prevent transmission, those aged 18-34 should be prioritised due to their increased level of social contact and role in transmission."

Nice....I’m 35 :-(

stephenjmcd

AdamD wrote: »

This has us forecast to get 1.25m doses by the end of the month. We'd need to average over 25k doses administered per day in March to use all of those

It's doses arrived into country not doses administered.

We'll see come end of month how close expected deliveries v actual deliveries are.

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stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your supply forecast looks a little off, updated forecast below from last week

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1364280979267981312?s=19

This has us forecast to get 1.25m doses by the end of the month. We'd need to average over 25k doses administered per day in March to use all of those

Gile_na_gile

No news but this last stage is extremely tedious. All supply lines are more or less in place, almost all results are in (save Curevac) and approval for J&J is a given. Foresee yet another 12-16 weeks before low priority get a jab, and we will should see the caseload sink around June as the vaccines really impact on transmission. It is not so much fatigue with the measures as it is the prolonged anxiety until vaccination actually ramps up to full capacity, knowing much of life is still on hold until this time arrives over a year after it started.

eoinbn

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your supply forecast looks a little off, updated forecast below from last week

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1364280979267981312?s=19

That chart is nonsense. The chart itself acknowledges that with the statement at the bottom. The 3 companies have promised to deliver X doses in Q2 so the government just divided they by 3. Zero chance that Pfizer/BioNtech can deliver 65m doses in April. For the first 2-3 weeks of April Pfizer won't be shipping anything more than they are currently. Production will only increase in the second half of the month.

stephenjmcd

trellheim wrote: »

A fair point - neither sheet is official data from an official website though.

It's in a government document, it's as official as your going to get. It's the expected delivery schedule of vaccines into the country, which up to Sunday stood at 520,320 vaccine doses in the country. Leaving 80k available for this week before further deliveries arrive this week.

https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/resilience-recovery-2020-2021-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/

As we know deliveries can go up or can go down as is proof with AZ, last week, this week and next week, which is why they're expected supply forecasts, can't be 100% sure of them until closer the time.

AZ are down doses & Pfizer have an outstanding commitment from December & brief Feb decrease to deliver as production increases.

Rough calculations expected supply v actual supply are about 60k out to last Sunday. HSE briefings on Thursday's will answer alot of your questions.

Wolf359f

trellheim wrote: »

heres the numbers I was working from
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu7i-TqXIAArZuF?format=jpg&name=medium

AZ dosing schedule would be 3 months not 2.

trellheim

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your supply forecast looks a little off, updated forecast below from last week

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1364280979267981312?s=19

A fair point - neither sheet is official data from an official website though.

Even on the sheet you posted 166380+417265 = 583645

As of official stats as of yesterday

As of last Sunday (28 February), there have been 439,782 doses of COVID-19 vaccine administered in Ireland:

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

and hence a difference of 583645-439782=143863

so even allowing for 25,000 shots off the pace per noted AZ delivery, and allowing for a few % lag between delivery and get-it-out-there, say 10%

we are still over 100,000 shots difference between expected and actual

KrustyUCC

Champagne Sally wrote: »

I wonder will they arrange by age when it comes to the 18 to 54 cohort. Purely selfish of me of course because I'm 54. Obviously I'll take any appointment I get but one can't help wondering.

Not that I'm aware of

There's even a possibility of 18-34 year olds getting priority

"Aged 18-54 years who did not have access to the vaccine in prior phases.

If evidence demonstrates the vaccine(s) prevent transmission, those aged 18-34 should be prioritised due to their increased level of social contact and role in transmission."

josip

is_that_so wrote: »

No, 60% of the adult population based on that table. I think 80% vaccinated is a great target but getting there by the promised date is a lot tougher. I reckon it will be more like 70% even if those updated expected supplies happen.

What number are you using for the adult population?
I'm using 3.7m out of a total pop of 4.9m using CSO 2016 data.

I'm referring to the %age of the pop that has had at least 1 vaccine, not fully vaccinated.
I think that's the metric that's used when politicians talk about 'all by the end of June'.

Hmmzis

dominatinMC wrote: »

I didn't understand a lot of what you said, but I liked your closing line!

The gist of those findings is that the P1 variant from Brazil is a significantly lesser concern than its cousin from South Africa.

Champagne Sally

I wonder will they arrange by age when it comes to the 18 to 54 cohort. Purely selfish of me of course because I'm 54. Obviously I'll take any appointment I get but one can't help wondering.

is_that_so

josip wrote: »

60% of total population, which is probably over 90% of the adult population who both can and want to get vaccinated.

No, 60% of the adult population based on that table. I think 80% vaccinated is a great target but getting there by the promised date is a lot tougher. I reckon it will be more like 70% even if those updated expected supplies happen.

josip

is_that_so wrote: »

Good to see that tabulated. So, are we really only looking at 60% done by June?

60% of total population, which is probably over 90% of the adult population who both can and want to get vaccinated.