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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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eoinbn

Cork2021 wrote: »

Varadkar saying we could be doing 300,000 vaccines a week from April!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40235897.html?fbclid=IwAR0S8Z-MwHBQJ99CopTV-VtZyM9t8hRxJ9_hFA9Z3wSTpVgsBVWJR4uFvcw

He said 200k-300k. For most of April it will be closer to 200k(likely to be sub 200k) than 300k. Early April will see J&J come on stream. Late April should see a ramp up from Pfizer/BioNtech. This ramp up will continue for the quarter. We might also see a jump in AZ if we start to get shipments from outside the EU supply chain.

Micky 32

Cork2021 wrote: »

I’ve come to the conclusion that the Gript articles are correct! They’re undermining the vaccination programme by tweeting this drivel without backing it up with data! The vaccines work! Even if it means I get a bad head cold then they work!

https://twitter.com/gabrielscally/status/1366479853323759618?s=21

Ryan from the WHO is now at it, hinting normality won’t be here by the end of the year ( courtesy of RTE letting us know). It seems to be about keeping transmission low now rather than eliminating hospitalisations and deaths.

Mark1916

https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1366513824401129474?s=21

Mark1916

https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1366517048688410626?s=21

josip

Has it ever been officially announced how many are in each cohort?
The SBB estimates from late January seem way off.
They estimated 30,000 and 95,000 in Cohort 1 and 2 respectively.
But the vaccine hub says that 95,000 and 145,00 have received first doses in each of those groups.
Even allowing for staff not being included in the SBB Cohort 1 numbers, they still seem to be out by a lot.

funnydoggy

Micky 32 wrote: »

Ryan from the WHO is now at it, hinting normality won’t be here by the end of the year ( courtesy of RTE letting uy,s know). It seems to be about keeping transmission low now rather than eliminating hospitalisations and deaths.

Was he speaking for just Ireland?

He's right in a sense, globally. We'll be hugging and licking people before some of the world gets their vaccines rolled out fully.

If he's speaking for Ireland, well then I'd love to know what his definition of normality is. He could mean hand hygiene.

It's important to remember though.. that we're ****ing flying it!

political analyst

Why didn't the Oxford scientists and AstraZeneca ask more elderly people to volunteer as test subjects for the vaccine when the original trials were taking place?

Le Bruise

funnydoggy wrote: »

If he's speaking for Ireland, well then I'd love to know what his definition of normality is. He could mean hand hygiene.

It's important to remember though.. that we're ****ing flying it!

I’ve wondered about this. Quite often they say ‘some public health measures’ post vaccination, but it’s such a wide ranging statement. As you say, it could just mean hand hygiene, coupled with cough etiquette, and some restrictions on travel....right up to the continued ban on large gatherings, social distancing and masks in public.

I know they can’t provide clarity on it at the moment and it all depends on the continued real world results of the vaccines and the take up of them. With what we know about the vaccines so far, I’m leaning towards very few restrictions and pretty much normality....but lord knows what they’re thinking!!

Ficheall

political analyst wrote: »

Why didn't the Oxford scientists and AstraZeneca ask more elderly people to volunteer as test subjects for the vaccine when the original trials were taking place?

Looks better for your product the fewer people that die after using it.

hmmm

Worth reading from Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/from-israel-with-hope-best-data-yet-suggests-vaccines-will-empty-covid-wards/

JPup

Ficheall wrote: »

Looks better for your product the fewer people that die after using it.

Ugh. Why deliberately spread falsehoods like that?

Oxford clearly stated at the time that the early trials would include mostly younger people until it was proven safe as older people are more at risk if there are substantial side effects.

Frank Bullitt

Over here in British Columbia, they have forecasted to have all who want the vaccine to be done by July. Let's ****in go!

KrustyUCC

hmmm wrote: »

Worth reading from Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/from-israel-with-hope-best-data-yet-suggests-vaccines-will-empty-covid-wards/

That is really positive news thankfully

Scuid Mhór

Not an update but good grief, I cannot wait to get vaccinated.

Deeper Blue

hmmm wrote: »

Worth reading from Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/from-israel-with-hope-best-data-yet-suggests-vaccines-will-empty-covid-wards/

122 hospitalisations out of 1,820,000 is unreal, just 0.0067%

0.0067% of our entire population is 328, less than what's in hospital currently

cameramonkey

Deeper Blue wrote: »

122 hospitalisations out of 1,820,000 is unreal, just 0.0067%

0.0067% of our entire population is 328, less than what's in hospital currently

Also from the article.

"The Health Ministry suggested that while it reported that 1,248 vaccine-protected people tested positive, it believes the actual number is lower. This is because 648 of them were diagnosed within the first two weeks when the state considers them immune. Epidemiologists believe that some of them caught the virus before they achieved immunity."

Sky King

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Not an update but good grief, I cannot wait to get vaccinated.

Same here, I'm going to go licking handrails in public places to celebrate!

Danzy

speckle wrote: »

Let us not forget in haste 2 days of temperature fever body aches chills etc is not the same in a young hwc than someone in their 80s and frail even if it is a minority of people..

Remember they are a tougher generation. They won't be moaning about it or let it stop them.

Azatadine

Sky King wrote: »

Same here, I'm going to go licking handrails in public places to celebrate!

That's one thing I'll be avoiding when I can in future.....hands on handrails.....

Water John

Once every adult has been offered vaccination and a time period for their immunity to kick in, any restrictions should be minimal, if any.

dominatinMC

Azatadine wrote: »

That's one thing I'll be avoiding when I can in future.....hands on handrails.....

If that's the "new normal" they're talking about, I'll gladly take it!

odyssey06

From RTE - note that Denmark also seem to be looking for any spare vaccines from Israel:

Austria has broken ranks with the European Union saying it would work together with Israel and Denmark to produce second-generation vaccines against mutations of the coronavirus. Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said Austria and Denmark, as members of the First Mover Group founded by him, would work with Israel on vaccine production against mutations of the coronavirus and jointly research treatment options. The announcement is a rebuke to the EU's joint vaccine procurement programme for member states which has been criticised for being too slow to agree deals with manufacturers.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0302/1200326-coronavirus-global/

titan18

Ireland really should get moving on asking for that stuff. We're being way too passive in the fight for vaccines

stephenjmcd

odyssey06 wrote: »

From RTE - note that Denmark also seem to be looking for any spare vaccines from Israel:

Austria has broken ranks with the European Union saying it would work together with Israel and Denmark to produce second-generation vaccines against mutations of the coronavirus. Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said Austria and Denmark, as members of the First Mover Group founded by him, would work with Israel on vaccine production against mutations of the coronavirus and jointly research treatment options. The announcement is a rebuke to the EU's joint vaccine procurement programme for member states which has been criticised for being too slow to agree deals with manufacturers.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0302/1200326-coronavirus-global/

Not sure what exactly they expect to do really. Pharmaceutical companies produce vaccines, so what difference do they expect to make. At the end of the day Austria and Denmark will still be getting their vaccine supply through the EU as they don't have deals with suppliers individually

stephenjmcd

titan18 wrote: »

Ireland really should get moving on asking for that stuff. We're being way too passive in the fight for vaccines

Ask for what stuff?

odyssey06

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not sure what exactly they expect to do really. Pharmaceutical companies produce vaccines, so what difference do they expect to make. At the end of the day Austria and Denmark will still be getting their vaccine supply through the EU as they don't have deals with suppliers individually

I think they were considering funding their own vaccine production if it turns out to be an annual thing i.e. their own supplier deals.

titan18

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ask for what stuff?

We should be reaching out to the UK and US imo. We already left Pfizer vaccines go that other EU countries didn't buy and Denmark and Germany for extra as a result. UK, and NI, in particular could be in a position to help come May or so

Turtwig

Is there any indication we would benefit from taking such vaccine procurement actions in a reasonable time frame?

Pablo Escobar

mick087 wrote: »

Or maybe there experts was spot on and our experts are getting it wrong.

Waiting for additional data is not "getting it wrong". This isn't a game of Russian Roulette.

Apogee

Sat No: 7,769 administered (Impact of AZ cancelled order?). Mon-Sat: 77,557.