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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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coconnellz

I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine for many people, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward and Im definitely pro vaccines but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

JPA

hmmm wrote: »

If the EMA approves an extended gap between first and second doses, it would transform the speed of vaccine rollout and potentially how quickly we could reopen. It has to be looking very attractive.

First dose for everyone by June?

Isn't that already the plan? Well 82% of adults. But if we could get that number up then it's all good.

Stheno

coconnellz wrote: »

I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine for many people, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward and Im definitely pro vaccines but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

You do know high temperatures and exhaustion are symptoms of covid and you can catch it after the first dose until protection kicks in?

Did any of those people get a Covid test or report the reactions?

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/andrewiconnell/status/1366471690276995073?s=20

hmmm

JPA wrote: »

Isn't that already the plan? Well 82% of adults. But if we could get that number up then it's all good.

I think our current interval between first and second dose is 28 days (happy to be corrected if wrong).

Moving that out to 3 months would substantially increase the number of people who would get a first dose of the vaccine. It would also get us through the worst of the supply crunch.

Chris_5339762

coconnellz wrote: »

I understand vaccination can be a way forward and Im definitely pro vaccines but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

It is.

A handful of people in the hospital I work had a 2 day fever immediately after the vaccine, one or two of them took to the bed for a day.

Every single one of them said they would take that happily over getting COVID.

Bigbooty

Got the AZ vaccine today and apart from local tenderness which has now gone it's all good. Overheard the staff giving out because they had 80 no shows including a fair few people double booked into two different vaccine centres. No idea how that could happen. I was expecting it to be busier but it was rather quiet.

Micky 32

Dr Glynn qoute this evening:

“”Dr Glynn said he thinks there will still be public health measures by the end of the year, but he is hopeful that we will be closer to what we considered 'normal' before the pandemic.””

Water John

I think they can't in any way say the brakes are off ATM. They may actually believe other than they are saying and IWT that is the case.
Stay with the programme (which will drop to about Level 3) until the vast majority are vaccinated.

berocca2016

coconnellz wrote: »

I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine for many people, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward and Im definitely pro vaccines but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

You've posted the same thing on two forums, back up your assertion with data maybe rather than spreading conjecture.

hatrickpatrick

The temporary flu-like symptoms after vaccination are actually a good thing. Fever, chills, muscle aches, stuffy noses, fatigue etc are all tools our bodies use to fight infection - as unpleasant as they are for us to experience, they are the body's anti-infection "engine" if you will. Developing such symptoms after being vaccinated means that your body has recognised the mRNA in the vaccine (or modified inactive virus in the AstraZeneca ones) as invasive foreign bodies, and is responding to the threat as it is supposed to. The idea obviously is that the next time it experienced a spike protein of that shape, it'll say "ah, one of these feckers, well we've dealt with this before and know exactly how to get rid of it".

From that point of view, the fact that you develop symptoms immediately after vaccination simply means that your immune system is learning about the virus' structure and storing it away on the list of things to react to if they enter the body. If anything, it's a good indication that the vaccine is working.

Cork2021

I’ve come to the conclusion that the Gript articles are correct! They’re undermining the vaccination programme by tweeting this drivel without backing it up with data! The vaccines work! Even if it means I get a bad head cold then they work!

https://twitter.com/gabrielscally/status/1366479853323759618?s=21

speckle

Let us not forget in haste 2 days of temperature fever body aches chills etc is not the same in a young hwc than someone in their 80s and frail even if it is a minority of people..

lbj666

coconnellz wrote: »

I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine for many people, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward and Im definitely pro vaccines but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

i keep saying this, but you know that the vacines are essentially a tiny benign bit of the virus in order to trigger and immune response? Could you imagine so what it would be like for these people if they got the full whack of disease itself.

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Micky 32 wrote: »

Dr Glynn qoute this evening:

“”Dr Glynn said he thinks there will still be public health measures by the end of the year, but he is hopeful that we will be closer to what we considered 'normal' before the pandemic.””

In the restrictions thread this will read “NPHET nazis want to lock us down forever”

Dressoutlet

coconnellz wrote: »

I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine for many people, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward and Im definitely pro vaccines but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

Well yes the Cure is better than covid as I'm sure my grandmother lying dead in Glasnevin Cemetary would agree!

Thornysheep

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Well yes the Cure is better than covid as I'm sure my grandmother lying dead in Glasnevin Cemetary would agree!

Not if you had Covid with nothing more than a sniffle and the vaccine with several days of chills and fever.

lbj666

lbj666 wrote: »

i keep saying this, but you know that the vacines are essentially a tiny benign bit of the virus in order to trigger and immune response? Could you imagine so what it would be like for these people if they got the full whack of disease itself.

Thornysheep wrote: »

Not if you had Covid with nothing more than a sniffle and the vaccine with several days of chills and fever.

Is that even possible

Thornysheep

lbj666 wrote: »

Is that even possible

Yes.

Cork2021

Varadkar saying we could be doing 300,000 vaccines a week from April!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40235897.html?fbclid=IwAR0S8Z-MwHBQJ99CopTV-VtZyM9t8hRxJ9_hFA9Z3wSTpVgsBVWJR4uFvcw

Goldengirl

Stheno wrote: »

You do know high temperatures and exhaustion are symptoms of covid and you can catch it after the first dose until protection kicks in?

Did any of those people get a Covid test or report the reactions?

This.
Any reactions like high temps aree meant to be reported, straight away , and damn sure it would be a registerable reaction if someone couldn't stand for 11 days !
I wonder did these people get a Covid test ?
It is possible to have it or get it within 2 weeks of first shot and those people should be informing their vaccinator , at the very least .
The vaccine does not cause reactions like this or of this duration.
I personally know of 2 colleagues who unfortunately were sick after their first shot but it was because they were subsequently tested Covid positive within a few days , when they reported ongoing symptoms .

Necro

Thornysheep wrote: »

Not if you had Covid with nothing more than a sniffle and the vaccine with several days of chills and fever.

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lbj666

Cork2021 wrote: »

Varadkar saying we could be doing 300,000 vaccines a week from April!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40235897.html?fbclid=IwAR0S8Z-MwHBQJ99CopTV-VtZyM9t8hRxJ9_hFA9Z3wSTpVgsBVWJR4uFvcw

He is probably adding the other 50% from Astra Zeneca back in.

Marhay70

Bigbooty wrote: »

Got the AZ vaccine today and apart from local tenderness which has now gone it's all good. Overheard the staff giving out because they had 80 no shows including a fair few people double booked into two different vaccine centres. No idea how that could happen. I was expecting it to be busier but it was rather quiet.

My son is a "freelance", for want of a better word, health care professional and works in several hospitals in Dublin, so far he has been offered an appointment for vaccination in every one of them. It's easy to see how you could double book in those circumstances.
Hospitals are probably obliged to offer a vaccine to all front-line staff and not at liberty to enquire if you've booked elsewhere although why anybody would bother to do that, escapes me.

Goldengirl

berocca2016 wrote: »

You've posted the same thing on two forums, back up your assertion with data maybe rather than spreading conjecture.

Where did the poster post the other ?
Let me guess....

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Thornysheep wrote: »

Not if you had Covid with nothing more than a sniffle and the vaccine with several days of chills and fever.

The average side effect of the vaccine will be a hell of a lot less severe that than average case of Covid, even if you only include those who don’t go to hospital.

You will get extreme reactions where someone needs a couple of days bed rest, god help them, but they are not the norm. If they were the health service wold have been severely impacted, especially with staff in whole wards and hospitals being vaccinated together. How did they manage to function with all their staff simultaneously stuffing huge reactions to the vaccine.

ACitizenErased

Cork2021 wrote: »

Varadkar saying we could be doing 300,000 vaccines a week from April!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40235897.html?fbclid=IwAR0S8Z-MwHBQJ99CopTV-VtZyM9t8hRxJ9_hFA9Z3wSTpVgsBVWJR4uFvcw

It feels now like we're just trying to get through March and things will really kick off

Cork2021

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It feels now like we're just trying to get through March and things will really kick off

Definitely. At the rate the hospital numbers are going we could be looking at end middle of June last year around 70 or so in hospitals by the end of March

FlubberJones

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It feels now like we're just trying to get through March and things will really kick off

They find it piss easy to put in more restrictions but are hopeless when it comes to predicting vaccine levels... He's a spoofer and NOTHING he says can be taken on face value.

ACitizenErased

FlubberJones wrote: »

They find it piss easy to put in more restrictions but are hopeless when it comes to predicting vaccine levels... He's a spoofer and NOTHING he says can be taken on face value.

ok whatever you say flubberjones