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EU Digital/paper! Certs, the Megathread - threadbans in OP

biko

This is to be implemented in 2 years time.

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf

Commission proposal for a common vaccination card/passport for EU citizens

https://www.vaccinestoday.eu/stories/eu-considers-vaccination-passport-for-kids/

The ultimate goal of a vaccination passport would be to ensure that children who move between countries with different immunisation schedules do not miss out on crucial vaccinations. A similar scheme is already in place for pets and has helped boost vaccination rates, according to the European Commission.

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Necro wrote: »

Mod:

Off you go now to the Conspiracy Theory Forum - don't post in this thread again

Ya ya was told vaccine passports were conspiracy theory stuff last year and here we are now. When will ye learn

HansKroenke

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s nothing like that. It’s a (at best) lottery or at worst totally corrupt or biased system that will privilege certain groups and de-privilege others. I mean children won’t be vaccinated this summer so all travel is out except for the childless. If we “are all in it together” then keep the airports closed or allow a PCR test to fly even the vaccine is available.

That's a good point. Pregnant women / women who want to get pregnant won't be taking a vaccine anytime soon. Are they going to be told "tough luck"?

Economic and social restrictions disproportionately affect younger people, compared to the actual threat of covid to their health so it would be terribly unfair that those most affected by restrictions are farthest down the queue to receive a vaccine which is required in order to do the normal things like, for example, going abroad for a holiday.

HansKroenke

Jim2007 wrote: »

Yep, about as discriminatory as say requiring people to have a driving license, care insurance etc. you know the kind of stuff that constitution and the EU treaties enable parliaments to legislate for...

Wow, the cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

It is disturbing how extremist those views against doing completely normal activities without some sort of covid-specific (why just covid?) pass there are, really disturbing.

MrMusician18

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Not a chance the French will allow this. The Germans are especially precious when it comes to privacy. They don't even tolerate CCTV.

And that's before we get to the Eastern block nations :pac:

Well colour me shocked with surprise at the line you've taken on this...

Necro

tommybrees wrote: »

A vaccine passport AKA a Herd number, because we're being treated like cattle not human being's.

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Richard Hillman

Not a chance the French will allow this. The Germans are especially precious when it comes to privacy. They don't even tolerate CCTV.

And that's before we get to the Eastern block nations :pac:

[Deleted User]

Jim2007 wrote: »

Yep, about as discriminatory as say requiring people to have a driving license, care insurance etc. you know the kind of stuff that constitution and the EU treaties enable parliaments to legislate for...

It’s nothing like that. It’s a (at best) lottery or at worst totally corrupt or biased system that will privilege certain groups and de-privilege others. I mean children won’t be vaccinated this summer so all travel is out except for the childless. If we “are all in it together” then keep the airports closed or allow a PCR test to fly even the vaccine is available.

Ray Donovan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That also makes no sense. The fact that it’s global means nothing to the argument. And I didn’t say it was “ discrimination for the sake of discrimination”. Whatever that is.

It does bring up a point though. Any such system where a passport is gained with a jab would have to be equitable - and this is one situation where I agree with equity of outcome - once the essential workers and old and vulnerable are vaccinated. Equal access for men and women, poor and rich, Dubliners and country folk, and across racial groups as well. Which is probably impossible.

There will be huge demand anyway, I bet systems will fall over and the faster internet connections will win out. There’s obviously going to be lots of queue jumping. The proposal is disastrous.

Did you read any news article??

UVL clearly states that if people haven’t beem vaccinated they can present a negative test to allow travel.

“The pass would allow a traveller to show either that they have been vaccinated, that they have tested negative for Covid-19 or that they have recovered from the disease.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-to-develop-covid-19-vaccine-pass-amid-divisions-over-issue-1.4498393

[Deleted User]

Hurrache wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, it's a global pandemic and it's nonsense to suggest discrimination for the sake of discrimination.

That also makes no sense. The fact that it’s global means nothing to the argument. And I didn’t say it was “ discrimination for the sake of discrimination”. Whatever that is.

It does bring up a point though. Any such system where a passport is gained with a jab would have to be equitable - and this is one situation where I agree with equity of outcome - once the essential workers and old and vulnerable are vaccinated. Equal access for men and women, poor and rich, Dubliners and country folk, and across racial groups as well. Which is probably impossible.

There will be huge demand anyway, I bet systems will fall over and the faster internet connections will win out. There’s obviously going to be lots of queue jumping. The proposal is disastrous.

[Deleted User]

A vaccine passport AKA a Herd number, because we're being treated like cattle not human being's.

[Deleted User]

josip wrote: »

I don't see them they are discriminatory.
Without them, everyone will be contributing to the profits of the Tory-backed PCR companies.
In case anyone wants to know the secret of getting a government awarded contract, then consider giving an MP £100,000 per year for 4 hours work a week.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/04/tory-linked-firm-involved-in-testing-failure-awarded-new-347m-covid-contract

At least with the vaccine passports, some people will avoid being shaken down when they travel.
I don't mind whether it's me or someone else that can avail of the passport, just as long as we're not lining the Tory coffers.

That’s makes no sense. People will have to get vaccinated, sometimes with Tory backed vaccinations.

And this is Ireland.

speckle

And what about your wives, partners,sisters and daughters who are trying to get pregnant or are pregnant? They are advised to not take it.... has male dominated or auld wan politics forgotten them ...why should they be finicialy burdened more when travelling or have to endure quaranteening?

bloopy

Thornysheep wrote: »

And children?

And those waiting for a vaccine?

And those waiting for a booster?

I have a feeling that much of the support for a vaccine passport is based purely on animosity.

Certainly looking that way.
Usually promoted by people who have quixotic ideas of how everyone but themselves are behaving badly.

Jim2007

is_that_so wrote: »

That discriminatory element screams court cases and if the kids need to get a PCR test every time they want to go to McDonalds...

Yep, about as discriminatory as say requiring people to have a driving license, care insurance etc. you know the kind of stuff that constitution and the EU treaties enable parliaments to legislate for...

seansouth36

Thornysheep wrote: »

Only if they are free I would imagine.

Luckily for them, no passport is needed to go to Courtown.

JTMan

FT on the latest on EU digital vaccine passports here (paywall).

- Ursula von der Leyen, European Commission president, said on Monday the planned “Digital Green Pass” would provide proof of inoculation, test results of those not yet jabbed. "The Digital Green Pass should facilitate Europeans‘ lives." "Enable them to move safely in the European Union or abroad — for work or tourism".
- Greece strongly in favour to help revive the region’s devastated travel industry.
- Tui, Europe's largest tour operator, said “with a uniform EU certificate, politicians can now create an important basis for summer travel”.
- Plan to be unveiled later this month.

Hurrache

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Vaccine passports are hugely discriminatory. Positively dystopian. Some people won’t be vaccinated until September, or later.

Don't be ridiculous, it's a global pandemic and it's nonsense to suggest discrimination for the sake of discrimination.

josip

Deleted User wrote: »

Vaccine passports are hugely discriminatory. Positively dystopian. Some people won’t be vaccinated until September, or later.

I don't see them they are discriminatory.
Without them, everyone will be contributing to the profits of the Tory-backed PCR companies.
In case anyone wants to know the secret of getting a government awarded contract, then consider giving an MP £100,000 per year for 4 hours work a week.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/04/tory-linked-firm-involved-in-testing-failure-awarded-new-347m-covid-contract

At least with the vaccine passports, some people will avoid being shaken down when they travel.
I don't mind whether it's me or someone else that can avail of the passport, just as long as we're not lining the Tory coffers.

Sensimellia

ginoginelli wrote: »

It looks very much to be the majority of people who are opposed to it are anti vax, anti restrictions, anti mask etc, as well as the other usual contrarians.

Vaccine passports are a positive step in paving the way towards a return to normality in travel and toursim.

Why is there no unthank option

ShyMets

Deleted User wrote: »

There’s no guarantee at all that any of this comes in. It was hmm who suggested that businesses open up with vaccinated workers.

Thanks. I agree with some of the above posts. Bringing one in domestically would be largely unworkable

is_that_so

ShyMets wrote: »

I might be slightly behind here. But is the suggestion that people will need a vaccine passport to go into a clothes shop or restaurant or Bar for example.

I understand that it will be needed to travel abroad but I've seen nothing from the Government to suggest one will be needed domestically

For now it's an EU proposal for travel this summer. People are extrapolating based on what they are doing in Israel.

Thornysheep

hmmm wrote: »

They are discriminatory but that doesn't bother me one bit.

I'm well down the list for getting a vaccination, but I'm not going to ask vaccinated people to remain locked up for a minute longer than necessary.

Neither am I going to ask businesses to remain closed who could open earlier. Let them open for vaccinated people.

Get on with it Minister & start re-opening the country if the opportunity presents.

It's very obvious that you are not bothered by discrimination.

[Deleted User]

ShyMets wrote: »

I might be slightly behind here. But is the suggestion that people will need a vaccine passport to go into a clothes shop or restaurant or Bar for example.

I understand that it will be needed to travel abroad but I've seen nothing from the Government to suggest one will be needed domestically

There’s no guarantee at all that any of this comes in. It was hmm who suggested that businesses open up with vaccinated workers.

ShyMets

I might be slightly behind here. But is the suggestion that people will need a vaccine passport to go into a clothes shop or restaurant or Bar for example.

I understand that it will be needed to travel abroad but I've seen nothing from the Government to suggest one will be needed domestically

is_that_so

hmmm wrote: »

They are discriminatory but that doesn't bother me one bit.

I'm well down the list for getting a vaccination, but I'm not going to ask vaccinated people to remain locked up for a minute longer than necessary.

Neither am I going to ask businesses to remain closed who could open earlier. Let them open for vaccinated people.

Get on with it Minister & start re-opening the country if the opportunity presents.

It's extremely unlikely we'll see them here as a means of accessing services. That discriminatory element screams court cases and if the kids need to get a PCR test every time they want to go to McDonalds...

[Deleted User]

hmmm wrote: »

They are discriminatory but that doesn't bother me one bit.

I'm well down the list for getting a vaccination, but I'm not going to ask vaccinated people to remain locked up for a minute longer than necessary.

Neither am I going to ask businesses to remain closed who could open earlier. Let them open for vaccinated people.

Get on with it Minister & start re-opening the country if the opportunity presents.

Hmm. If the vaccine program stalls for whatever reason and half the country are locked down and the other half frolicking at indoor parties I feel it might cause some social tensions.

How are we going to open certain businesses and not others. Who is going to check who is vaccinated? Can we trust employers? Do we bring our vaccine cards to restaurants and pubs? What if the rumour spreads that insiders are getting vaccinated and eating at their fancy restaurants while the rest are kept indoors. Even if it were all squeaky clean there will be people at the back of the list. They won’t be happy.

We should open up in summer anyway. Like last year.

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

Vaccine passports are hugely discriminatory. Positively dystopian. Some people won’t be vaccinated until September, or later.

They are discriminatory but that doesn't bother me one bit.

I'm well down the list for getting a vaccination, but I'm not going to ask vaccinated people to remain locked up for a minute longer than necessary.

Neither am I going to ask businesses to remain closed who could open earlier. Let them open for vaccinated people.

Get on with it Minister & start re-opening the country if the opportunity presents.

[Deleted User]

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Vaccines will be freely available to remaining persons in June or so. If you wish to travel then you'll have to go and go and get an appointment for one.

Yeh? I definitely intend to. You sure about that though? Also what’s the lottery winners on the last Friday in June. Euromillions.

[Deleted User]

josip wrote: »

We'll be traveling in July, with children.
If we're not vaccinated in time, we'll still travel, we'll just all have to take PCR tests.
Even if the adults get vaccinated, the children will have to get PCR tests.
But that's ok, I don't think that's unreasonable the year we all exit a pandemic.
Those countries that reach herd immunity later this year/next year, especially tourist-oriented ones, will probably drop any vaccine passport requirements after this year.
So I see vaccine passports as a short term measure that reduces the financial travel burden on those who have been vaccinated.
By the time they are agreed/implemented/in use, I think all adults will have been offered a vaccine.

PCR tests may not be enough to stop quarantine in other countries or on the way back. As the rules stand now people will be prohibited from travelling if a passport is introduced.

Charles Babbage

Deleted User wrote: »

Vaccine passports are hugely discriminatory. Positively dystopian. Some people won’t be vaccinated until September, or later.

Vaccines will be freely available to remaining persons in June or so. If you wish to travel then you'll have to go and go and get an appointment for one.