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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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thecretinhop

my brother is in cat 4. by my reckoning it is late April he gets it. 170k 80 85 190k 75 80 100k a week vac at best? am I wrong?

is_that_so

Probes wrote: »

10% of Morocco population have been given a vaccine, the EU has made an arse out of this. I’m sure we’ll get there eventually but the pandemic has highlighted a negative of the EU for sure, the inability to work quickly in situations that require it.

Morocco has bought 6m doses, including Sinopharm. The EU were expecting about 80m but are only getting about 40m this quarter. Scale is everything. The EU also has no control over countries not vaccinating for whatever reason.

seamus

Goldengirl wrote: »

Healthcare workers including myself , who have or may have had the infection previously have been reporting a greater reaction to the second dose of Pfizer .
I reported this here a few weeks ago.
Might mean that your body is reacting to that second dose strongly because it doesn't actually need it ?

Not because it "doesn't need it", but because the immunity is already there.

The second reaction though ensures that the immune system is sufficiently primed and develops a longer-lasting immunity.

The immune system works like brain memory in some ways. Sometimes it needs to recall or practice fighting off an infection to ensure that it remembers how do it over a longer term.

Probes

10% of Morocco population have been given a vaccine, the EU has made an arse out of this. I’m sure we’ll get there eventually but the pandemic has highlighted a negative of the EU for sure, the inability to work quickly in situations that require it.

dominatinMC

Cork2021 wrote: »

THE VARIANTS!!!!

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1355262019562209282?s=21

Brilliant. The more you read into the science, and avoid RTE, the more positive the outlook becomes.

is_that_so

uli84 wrote: »

I’m in group 4, ok, let’s wait and see

Well, then it seems that should be pretty soon!

uli84

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Group 4 starts this day week.

I’m in group 4, ok, let’s wait and see

lee_baby_simms

is_that_so wrote: »

Apart from being highly discriminatory you'd have to do it all without kids and anyone else who can't get vaccinated.

Also I don’t think businesses would be on board with that at all.

McGiver

JTMan wrote:

: - Czech Republic have reached an agreement with Israel to obtain vaccines. - Czech Republic have reached an agreement with the German state of Saxony to obtain vaccines. (I guess unused Oxford AZ vaccines).

JTMan wrote:

Czech Republic are thinking outside of the EU supply box. I like it.

If you say A then you have to say B too.

Czechia had one of the lowest death rates in the first wave. It was praised in the media all around, including the CNN. For proper gov intervention, for mask wearing, DIY mask movement, community solidarity, people following restrictions etc.

That all went haywire in June - the populist oligarch businessman's government just stopped testing and tracing, loosened restrictions, all of the that due to his pressure (business is business), morale got low, people went on holidays, people stopped obeying any discipline. By September cases started increasing rapidly and the government still didn't properly react, by late October 150 people were dying daily and the government couldn't stop it anymore. Czechia now HAS one of the worst death rate per capita in the WORLD, just in a bit less than Belgium, similar to Slovenia, UK and slightly more than the US. About 1.96 per 1000 people. 20000 people dead for population of 10.7 million. This is 2.5 times worse than Ireland per capita - in June 2020, Ireland was 6 times worse per capita just FYI. 90% of these 20000 died in the last 4 months.
New restrictions are in place now, the toughest ever including restrictions to travel similar to here which was never the case up till now there setting (it's a big deal to restrict movement in liberal/libertarian Czechia!).

So that's why thinking outside the box. Your don't want Ireland be in a similar situation at all. Ireland is doing very well with vaccinations and JJ is coming soon. By the time you negotiate transfer of surplus from elsewhere you'll have surplus anyway, in my opinion.

Cork2021

THE VARIANTS!!!!

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1355262019562209282?s=21

is_that_so

JRant wrote: »

Isn't that what we are and have been doing already? Once we get the most at risk cohort vaccinated then we should all be free to do whatever is opened up. I mean we have all sacrificed an awful lot to help protect this group in particular. Requiring a vaccine passport to go for a meal or gig before we've all had the opportunity to get one would be craziness.

Apart from being highly discriminatory you'd have to do it all without kids and anyone else who can't get vaccinated.

is_that_so

Wolf359f wrote: »

GP's in my area didn't seem to get their delivery this week.
But hearing some users on here, other GP's have been motoring through vaccines, so I'm sure the GP's are administering faster than they are getting supplies. I have faith in the GP's to really make a massive dent in the vaccine numbers as long as supply can keep up.
Cases, hospital figures and deaths reducing while vaccination figures are increasing. Nice weather today also, how anyone can't be positive and a little excited is beyond me!

Reid mentioned this issue last week, especially with some more remote GPs. They are working on it.

McGiver

brickster69 wrote:

The Czech's to approve Sputnik

You are only posting - Pro UK, anti-EU posts to prove UK good and EU bad, even now including Russian propaganda outlet RT.

Russian disinformation propaganda and intelligence services have been VERY active in Czechia since at least 2013. This fact appears stated in black and white in the Czech Security Agency's report EVERY year.

The Czech president is a pro Russian agent and is continously undermining the Czech position in NATO and the EU by supporting the Russian causes and disinformation. Mate with Putin. Russian propaganda is using him for their own internal purposes too (they say "the famous EU president agrees with Putin on..."). He is Supporting Russian companies in large gov tenders, such as Rosatom in the tender for the expansion of the largest Czech nuclear power plant etc.

He just publicly said that Czechia SHOULD consider using Sputnik. And Russia Today twists it and making a story out of it.

No way Sputnik is going to be used ahead of the EMA approval.

Bubbaclaus

is_that_so wrote: »

The over 70s will go on until April at this rate, then groups 4 & 5 will be called. If you're in any of the groups below that it'll be May onwards for first shots. It's also probable there will be an online booking system for the majority.

Group 4 starts this day week.

is_that_so

uli84 wrote: »

May i ask please? Who will contact me, how and how much in advance that I can take a vaccine?

The over 70s will go on until April at this rate, then groups 4 & 5 will be called. If you're in any of the groups below that it'll be May onwards for first shots. It's also probable there will be an online booking system for the majority.

MerlinSouthDub

EU audits Indian vaccine maker as AstraZeneca looks to boost supplies to the bloc.

Possible good news for increased AZ supplies

https://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUSKCN2AT1J0

uli84

May i ask please? Who will contact me, how and how much in advance that I can take a vaccine?

harr

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coombe-master-did-not-vaccinate-students-on-standby-inquiry-hears-1.4497566?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR0jvGoSSJIG03crN4UEaDiDzEPGt48Ocr8htCOjkAZsVDmr19_IWE_-d2E

So it looks like front line staff were over looked for the surplus vaccines in favour of family members even after they said they made all attempts to find staff . Not only that they were advised to give anything leftover to the student staff.

markodaly

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And when we've vaccinated 80% of the population?

How long do you personally believe it's realistic to ask people to keep socially distancing?

I think it all depends to be honest. It depends on how much of the virus is circulating around the place and so on.

Wolf359f

hynesie08 wrote: »

Monday seems to be an outlier, it's been 46000 Tuesday-Thursday, so at that pace we're exactly on pace. Obviously last weekend was the low point of the week, but I am going to be optimistic and say 40k between Friday and Saturday and 8k today, putting us slightly over the target.

Hopefully......

GP's in my area didn't seem to get their delivery this week.
But hearing some users on here, other GP's have been motoring through vaccines, so I'm sure the GP's are administering faster than they are getting supplies. I have faith in the GP's to really make a massive dent in the vaccine numbers as long as supply can keep up.
Cases, hospital figures and deaths reducing while vaccination figures are increasing. Nice weather today also, how anyone can't be positive and a little excited is beyond me!

JRant

hmmm wrote: »

"Fair" is all very well, but we're talking about potentially keeping large sections of society restricted for longer than is necessary, along with the economic hit to businesses which could safely reopen and cater to those who have been vaccinated.

I'm well down the vaccination priority list but I hope we don't delay for a second reopening if it is safe to do so, even if these businesses can only reopen to some people. There's too much at stake to not do so.

Isn't that what we are and have been doing already? Once we get the most at risk cohort vaccinated then we should all be free to do whatever is opened up. I mean we have all sacrificed an awful lot to help protect this group in particular. Requiring a vaccine passport to go for a meal or gig before we've all had the opportunity to get one would be craziness.

hynesie08

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Are we? We did like 55 thousand by Thursday, weekends typically are lower.

I hope so but I’m not sure, hopefully 3 big days and they nailed it.

Monday seems to be an outlier, it's been 46000 Tuesday-Thursday, so at that pace we're exactly on pace. Obviously last weekend was the low point of the week, but I am going to be optimistic and say 40k between Friday and Saturday and 8k today, putting us slightly over the target.

Hopefully......

Van.Bosch

hynesie08 wrote: »

We won't know till Wednesday, But we're on target.

Are we? We did like 55 thousand by Thursday, weekends typically are lower.

I hope so but I’m not sure, hopefully 3 big days and they nailed it.

hmmm

giveitholly wrote: »

Oh yeah totally agree with you,if they bring in health passports then I think it's only fair when everyone has been offered the option of taking a vaccine

"Fair" is all very well, but we're talking about potentially keeping large sections of society restricted for longer than is necessary, along with the economic hit to businesses which could safely reopen and cater to those who have been vaccinated.

I'm well down the vaccination priority list but I hope we don't delay for a second reopening if it is safe to do so, even if these businesses can only reopen to some people. There's too much at stake to not do so.

Wolf359f

josip wrote: »

Would a vaccine passport be issued at the time you received:
the first vaccine or,

the 2nd vaccine if not Janssen,

or however many days after the final vaccine that full immunity is reached?

If they were introduced, I would imagine they would just keep it simple.
Proof of an approved covid-19 vaccine issued by the country that administered it.
Perhaps a date also, but the manufacturer or a second dose would just complicate it. You need different countries on board, so the easier the process, the easier and smoother it would work out.
I think ultimately it will come down to countries doing agreements.
If all EU countries have 60%+ vaccinated they can travel freely.
UK and America with 60%+ would be added and in turn that would be two way. I think it will be done on a country basis and not individual people.

nocoverart

Thornysheep wrote: »

I don't get the zeal for wanting to link travel and other things with vaccination. Surely most people will just be grateful to be vaccinated and be able to move on with their lives.

I personally think traveling is associated with moving on with your life, and we all need to move on now. I may not of wanted to travel in the last year if this sh1t storm didn’t exist but it does... and you want what you can’t have. That is life and life should be worth living or what’s the point?

josip

Would a vaccine passport be issued at the time you received:

the first vaccine or,
the 2nd vaccine if not Janssen,
or however many days after the final vaccine that full immunity is reached?

Wolf359f

Thornysheep wrote: »

I can absolutely understand that and I can't wait to travel again myself. It's the constant alluding to only the vaccinated being able to travel unrestricted that I don't get. There's a small mindedness at work that isn't nice to see. I'll be among the last on the list and I would not like to think that I have to stay put while others travel.

It's the unrestricted part you're missing out on.
It's easy to see it one way, travelling to Spain un-vaccinated. Sure Spain would be nearly covid free and if you had covid, it wouldn't really affect the Spanish as they would be protected as a population.
But if an un-vaccinted Brazillian/South African came into Ireland and we had just finished our vaccine program.... we wouldn't be thinking that's ok.

JRant

ypres5 wrote: »

I agree it's especially troubling for younger people who are lower on the queue whose only hindrance to being allowed travel might be completely out of their control. in general i just don't like the idea of creating a 2 tier society

Imagine, the elderly and vulnerable being allowed to travel while the younger population limited to where they can go or have to pay for PCR's or expensive quarantine.

irishgeo

Thornysheep wrote: »

I can absolutely understand that and I can't wait to travel again myself. It's the constant alluding to only the vaccinated being able to travel that I don't get. There's a small mindedness at work that isn't nice to see. I'll be among the last on the list and I would not like to think that I have to stay put while others travel.

Not being vaccinated is not going to stop you traveling but it might mean you don't have to quarantine or provide a negative test result to get into a country.