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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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timsey tiger

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

Joke right?

It is impossible to tell and now they could lie to cover it up, you'd have to look into there souls to find the truth.

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https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/1365697574905208832/photo/1

I hadn't seen this before, now I guess it is a joke at these peoples' expense, or maybe they are there to make the protesters look stupid, even though that would be a bit of a tautology.

dominatinMC

markodaly wrote: »

Insanity is thinking we can vaccinate some older people and some vulnerable people and we go back to Feb 2020 normal. Now THAT is insane thinking that no credible public health official or an NGO like the CDC or WHO or ECDC backs.

But we have our own internet doctors online telling us otherwise.

The countries that have done the best, NZ, South Korea and Taiwan and Australia, who have successfully eliminated the virus more or less, still have rules around social distancing and wearing of masks in certain situations.I guess they are insane or maybe they know something you do not.

But the poster didn't say that? The poster was referring to mass vaccinations...

Sweet.Science

markodaly wrote: »

Insanity is thinking we can vaccinate some older people and some vulnerable people and we go back to Feb 2020 normal. Now THAT is insane thinking that no credible public health official or an NGO like the CDC or WHO or ECDC backs.

But we have our own internet doctors online telling us otherwise.

The countries that have done the best, NZ, South Korea and Taiwan and Australia, who have successfully eliminated the virus more or less, still have rules around social distancing and wearing of masks in certain situations.I guess they are insane or maybe they know something you do not.

They still have rules as they haven't been vaccinated yet . Their measures at the moment are bacause of that

Just like the rest of the world they will vaccinate and get back to full normality

markodaly

is_that_so wrote: »

Nobody may back it but once those groups are vaccinated it will be very hard to convince people that this level of restrictions is warranted, as that IT poll showed earlier in the week.

This level of restrictions, level 5. No, we will not be in level 5, but we will be in some restrictions for a long time. That is what some people cannot fathom.

hmmm

Gottlieb (see 3 minutes in). His view is this is unlikely to be like Flu where in the space of one season new variants of the virus will evade our vaccines, he thinks we will "see it coming" and will be able to keep up with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w25YDHLUMsw

markodaly

dominatinMC wrote: »

But the poster didn't say that? The poster was referring to mass vaccinations...

The poster is still wrong.

Icantthinkof1

Trampas wrote: »

What’s the turnaround times for testing to results on average? A test @ 2pm yesterday what catches of getting results today? I presume be out by now if sample was tested in today’s numbers. Sunday probably doesn’t help

I got my result this week 22hours after my test

dominatinMC

markodaly wrote: »

But we have our own internet doctors online telling us otherwise.

markodaly wrote: »

The poster is still wrong.

Said without a hint of irony...

VG31

markodaly wrote: »

Insanity is thinking we can vaccinate some older people and some vulnerable people and we go back to Feb 2020 normal. Now THAT is insane thinking that no credible public health official or an NGO like the CDC or WHO or ECDC backs.

I didn't say that, but you know that don't you?

VG31 wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned any suggestion that social distancing/mask wearing remains once everyone has been offered a vaccine is complete insanity.

dominatinMC wrote: »

Anyway, I was heartened during the week when Borris and his CMO Chris Whitty admitted that they will not be pursuing a policy of elimination and, once the critical mass is vaccinated, they will be reopening as normal. They acknowledged that there will still be some cases and deaths (estimated at an additional 30k/year) due to Covid but that the disease will be sufficiently suppressed through vaccination to render it "just another disease that we will live with". I can see a lot of countries following that strategy once we are vaccinated.

That was probably the first time I ever agreed with something Boris said! It was refreshing to hear some common sense and frankness for a change.

is_that_so

markodaly wrote: »

This level of restrictions, level 5. No, we will not be in level 5, but we will be in some restrictions for a long time. That is what some people cannot fathom.

Whether they do or not doesn't matter as compliance is the key question and that really won't last at any appreciable level when most of the vaccinations are done.

Water John

Lockdown is the last resort mechanism, that's from Mike Ryan WHO. I always strongly supported lockdown and believe we sacraficed over 1,000 lives to have a bit of a party around Christmas. Once the vulnerable are immunised, lockdown will move to a much lower level. Once the vast majority are vaccinated, July/August any lockdown measures will fall away.
Whether we continue with small measures even I would doubt. The vaccines have proved remarkable.

hatrickpatrick

markodaly wrote: »

Insanity is thinking we can vaccinate some older people and some vulnerable people and we go back to Feb 2020 normal. Now THAT is insane thinking that no credible public health official or an NGO like the CDC or WHO or ECDC backs.

But we have our own internet doctors online telling us otherwise.

The countries that have done the best, NZ, South Korea and Taiwan and Australia, who have successfully eliminated the virus more or less, still have rules around social distancing and wearing of masks in certain situations.I guess they are insane or maybe they know something you do not.

And when we've vaccinated 80% of the population?

How long do you personally believe it's realistic to ask people to keep socially distancing?

dominatinMC

Water John wrote: »

Lockdown is the last resort mechanism, that's from Mike Ryan WHO. I always strongly supported lockdown and believe we sacraficed over 1,000 lives to have a bit of a party around Christmas. Once the vulnerable are immunised, lockdown will move to a much lower level. Once the vast majority are vaccinated, July/August any lockdown measures will fall away.
Whether we continue with small measures even I would doubt. The vaccines have proved remarkable.

Very true. Yes, we are just random posters on the internet, but we do know that, ultimately, it will be the people that decide. Look at the protests yesterday, I am not a fan of them, but I believe this is only the beginning of such dissent. The politicans will be keenly aware of this and obviously want to remain in power, so will be looking for a return to normal as soon as possible - which the vaccines give us the best chance of. So, regardless of NPHETs advice, I think the end of restrictions (apart from international travel) will coincide with a critical mass being vaccinated. People just won't tolerate anything else imo.

Micky 32

VG31 wrote: »

I didn't say that, but you know that don't you?

.

Some posters love to twist things to make them sound more relevent.

conor_mc

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Liverpool skyrocketed again though.

Testing is a point in time, it only skyrocketed when they stopped.

Slovenia (I think?) identified 47,000 asymptomatic cases when they rapid tested their population of 7 million over one weekend. That’s 47,000 chains of transmission interrupted... preventing how many cases, maybe twice that number at least?

Rapid testing is not perfect, but neither is PCR testing for a disease that can be asymptomatic.

Water John

Remember part of the Nphet constant analysis is social behaviour ongoing surveying. They have a finger on the public pulse and as you say Domina the politicians will be tuned into that as well.

snotboogie

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

And when we've vaccinated 80% of the population?

How long do you personally believe it's realistic to ask people to keep socially distancing?

I think there needs to be some acknowledgement of how sensible restrictions are post vaccination. We absolutely should continue to encourage hand washing and mask wearing when people have symptoms. These are non invasive preventative measures. Mask wearing in crowded indoor spaces is far more restrictive and social distancing is outrageously restrictive. What I have a problem with is when all three of these are lumped together, which the media, especially RTE, frequently do.

[Deleted User]

conor_mc wrote: »

Testing is a point in time, it only skyrocketed when they stopped.

Slovenia (I think?) identified 47,000 asymptomatic cases when they rapid tested their population of 7 million over one weekend. That’s 47,000 chains of transmission interrupted... preventing how many cases, maybe twice that number at least?

Rapid testing is not perfect, but neither is PCR testing for a disease that can be asymptomatic.

It was Slovakia. And did nothing to interrupt transmission with surged after the national test campaign

Cork2021

I’d like to say the ignore function is there so if everyone could use that on a certain WUM that would be great. I still see the posts once ye reply to that poster!

Also aren’t vaccines great? As all of the other posters that are in the same frame of mind as myself have said, when the critical mass are vaccinated we return to normal except for international travel possibly!

ACitizenErased

Czechia are to begin using the Sputnik V vaccine without EMA approval

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-czech-sputnik/czech-pm-country-can-use-sputnik-vaccine-without-europes-ema-approval-idUSL5N2KY0AF

ddarcy

With the US approving the Johnson and Johnson vaccination, we sound probably in March see it approved here as well.

Also interesting that my parents in the US have been told that they are moving to only one vaccination for Pfizer/ Moderna as this is good enough (still 80%+ efficacy) and the Phase IV information is supporting it. So they’ll get it next week and won’t need a second dose. They’re based in California and my aunt in Massachusetts has been told the same so it all seems to be heading this way, along with the UK, so we could shortly be seeing this as the official guidelines worldwide. I’d say by April the official dosing guidelines will be changed, if the information coming back remains the same.

irishlad.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1366026746127130629

Martina1991

conor_mc wrote: »

Testing is a point in time, it only skyrocketed when they stopped.

Slovenia (I think?) identified 47,000 asymptomatic cases when they rapid tested their population of 7 million over one weekend. That’s 47,000 chains of transmission interrupted... preventing how many cases, maybe twice that number at least?

Rapid testing is not perfect, but neither is PCR testing for a disease that can be asymptomatic.

Antigen testing in Liverpool had quite poor results.
It missed half of people who had the virus and 3/10 people who were highly infectious. PCR detects asymptomatic cases. Antigen testing does not.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4848

Cases in Slovakia fell after doing mass antigen testing but people don't realise that they also brought in tougher restrictions at the same time. So a fall in cases was not just down to testing.
They are now on a sharp rise again with a 7 day average of 2,259 cases and 88 deaths.

Antigen testing isn't a barrier to prevent infections. It is a sieve.

votecounts

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/vials-stored-in-wrong-fridge-had-to-be-dumped-40140152.html
no wonder we have a painfully slow rollout, in most countries, the people who stored the vaccine wrong would be given the sack ffs.

H8GHOTI

ingalway wrote: »

I had the Astrazenica yesterday. Arm was sore and slight muscle pain to start with until 12 hours later then it really kicked off! Terrible night - freezing cold then really hot, really bad body aches and arm feels like a massive knife was stabbed into it. Almost 26 hours later still feel very tired and sore but I'm sure no where near as bad as getting Covid so well worth it long term I hope.
I keep hearing that people who got the Pfizer had very little reaction to first jab but much worse on the second. I'm hoping that the second Astrazenica will be much easier. As it's a 12 week wait too soon to know yet how people are reacting.
Very glad not to be working this weekend.

Similar experience here. Got AZ shot yesterday, was fine for about 8 hours then felt shivers. Woke up in the middle of the night, feeling like ****. Roasting hot, sweaty, muscle aches, nauseous. Not too bad today, bit tired, bit achy but definitely returning to normal. Would have preferred to have got it tomorrow so as not to ruin my weekend :-).

It wasn’t bad enough that I’d try and talk anyone out of it. Pros outweigh cons. Everyone will react different. Just a example of what you might expect.

eagle eye

Trampas wrote:

Whatâ€™s the turnaround times for testing to results on average? A test @ 2pm yesterday what catches of getting results today? I presume be out by now if sample was tested in todayâ€™s numbers. Sunday probably doesnâ€™t help

You could get the result at any time.

JacksonHeightsOwn

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Czechia are to begin using the Sputnik V vaccine without EMA approval

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-czech-sputnik/czech-pm-country-can-use-sputnik-vaccine-without-europes-ema-approval-idUSL5N2KY0AF

If only we had a pro active government.

Sputnik is a very good vaccine by all accounts

is_that_so

chrisbonnie wrote: »

If only we had a pro active government.

Sputnik is a very good vaccine by all accounts

It's barely out of its trials and unapproved by the EMA. It hasn't submitted an application to the EMA yet although a rolling review may start soon. We follow the EMA as do the vast majority of EU members.

brickster69

UK hit 20 million first doses today

91.2% of over-80s

93.4% of those aged 75-79

93% of those aged 70-74

77% of those aged 65-69

28.4% of those aged 60-64

21.7% of those aged 55-59

19.3% of those aged 50-54

Chris_5339762

votecounts wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/vials-stored-in-wrong-fridge-had-to-be-dumped-40140152.html
no wonder we have a painfully slow rollout, in most countries, the people who stored the vaccine wrong would be given the sack ffs.

Bound to happen given just how tricky this one is to store. Not good, but at least it is happening rarely.