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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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markodaly

dominatinMC wrote: »

But the poster didn't say that? The poster was referring to mass vaccinations...

The poster is still wrong.

hmmm

Gottlieb (see 3 minutes in). His view is this is unlikely to be like Flu where in the space of one season new variants of the virus will evade our vaccines, he thinks we will "see it coming" and will be able to keep up with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w25YDHLUMsw

markodaly

is_that_so wrote: »

Nobody may back it but once those groups are vaccinated it will be very hard to convince people that this level of restrictions is warranted, as that IT poll showed earlier in the week.

This level of restrictions, level 5. No, we will not be in level 5, but we will be in some restrictions for a long time. That is what some people cannot fathom.

Sweet.Science

markodaly wrote: »

Insanity is thinking we can vaccinate some older people and some vulnerable people and we go back to Feb 2020 normal. Now THAT is insane thinking that no credible public health official or an NGO like the CDC or WHO or ECDC backs.

But we have our own internet doctors online telling us otherwise.

The countries that have done the best, NZ, South Korea and Taiwan and Australia, who have successfully eliminated the virus more or less, still have rules around social distancing and wearing of masks in certain situations.I guess they are insane or maybe they know something you do not.

They still have rules as they haven't been vaccinated yet . Their measures at the moment are bacause of that

Just like the rest of the world they will vaccinate and get back to full normality

dominatinMC

markodaly wrote: »

Insanity is thinking we can vaccinate some older people and some vulnerable people and we go back to Feb 2020 normal. Now THAT is insane thinking that no credible public health official or an NGO like the CDC or WHO or ECDC backs.

But we have our own internet doctors online telling us otherwise.

The countries that have done the best, NZ, South Korea and Taiwan and Australia, who have successfully eliminated the virus more or less, still have rules around social distancing and wearing of masks in certain situations.I guess they are insane or maybe they know something you do not.

But the poster didn't say that? The poster was referring to mass vaccinations...

timsey tiger

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

Joke right?

It is impossible to tell and now they could lie to cover it up, you'd have to look into there souls to find the truth.

_______________________________________________________________

https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/1365697574905208832/photo/1

I hadn't seen this before, now I guess it is a joke at these peoples' expense, or maybe they are there to make the protesters look stupid, even though that would be a bit of a tautology.

is_that_so

markodaly wrote: »

Insanity is thinking we can vaccinate some older people and some vulnerable people and we go back to Feb 2020 normal. Now THAT is insane thinking that no credible public health official or an NGO like the CDC or WHO or ECDC backs.

But we have our own internet doctors online telling us otherwise.

The countries that have done the best, NZ, South Korea and Taiwan and Australia, who have successfully eliminated the virus more or less, still have rules around social distancing and wearing of masks in certain situations.I guess they are insane or maybe they know something you do not.

Nobody may back it but once those groups are vaccinated it will be very hard to convince people that this level of restrictions is warranted, as that IT poll showed earlier in the week.

markodaly

VG31 wrote: »

It's saying that social distancing will remain even after mass vaccinations. In that case how will it ever end? Elimination is a pipe dream.

As far as I'm concerned any suggestion that social distancing/mask wearing remains once everyone has been offered a vaccine is complete insanity.

Insanity is thinking we can vaccinate some older people and some vulnerable people and we go back to Feb 2020 normal. Now THAT is insane thinking that no credible public health official or an NGO like the CDC or WHO or ECDC backs.

But we have our own internet doctors online telling us otherwise.

The countries that have done the best, NZ, South Korea and Taiwan and Australia, who have successfully eliminated the virus more or less, still have rules around social distancing and wearing of masks in certain situations.I guess they are insane or maybe they know something you do not.

HalfAndHalf

humberklog wrote: »

*"there souls"

Joke right?

Trampas

What’s the turnaround times for testing to results on average? A test @ 2pm yesterday what catches of getting results today? I presume be out by now if sample was tested in today’s numbers. Sunday probably doesn’t help

Call me Al

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

When signing up for the vaccine via the HSE portal I had to include my pps#
Not sure about the over 85’s would the GP’s have access to their patients pps#’s?

This information is collected routinely for vaccines by the GP.
Everytime I've brought my children for their vaccines I've been asked for their PPS numbers.

Even flu vaccines this winter, we were all asked for our PPS numbers.

timsey tiger

seamus wrote: »

Look at that ramp-up.

It'll be reporting over half a million doses done this day next week.

We're on a really good news buzz at the moment, every day getting better.

Pity the cohort circles, represent only those with at least one dose. If it the full 360° represented everybody in the cohort, 1 dose, 2 dose and unvaccinated, then it would give a more information.

Marhay70

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

When signing up for the vaccine via the HSE portal I had to include my pps#
Not sure about the over 85’s would the GP’s have access to their patients pps#’s?

Most would have Medical Card or GP Visit Card which would include their PPS No.

dominatinMC

VG31 wrote: »

It's saying that social distancing will remain even after mass vaccinations. In that case how will it ever end? Elimination is a pipe dream.

As far as I'm concerned any suggestion that social distancing/mask wearing remains once everyone has been offered a vaccine is complete insanity.

That RTE article, typical of them, is a very one-sided myopic outlook. Asking a group of virologists for their opinions will inevitably lead to one result. They are seeking elimination - which is fine in theory, but probably not very practical. A lot of these experts, whilst highly educated, lack pragmatism, and their ideas need to be tempered with realism - that's why we have politicians running countries and not scientists.

Anyway, I was heartened during the week when Borris and his CMO Chris Whitty admitted that they will not be pursuing a policy of elimination and, once the critical mass is vaccinated, they will be reopening as normal. They acknowledged that there will still be some cases and deaths (estimated at an additional 30k/year) due to Covid but that the disease will be sufficiently suppressed through vaccination to render it "just another disease that we will live with". I can see a lot of countries following that strategy once we are vaccinated.

Sweet.Science

Deeper Blue wrote: »

I wouldn't expect them to be gone in the summer, I'd imagine we're looking at a summer similar to last year. But by 2022 I'd expect normality.

The date from vaccines doesn't make the above seem plausible

Once enough people are vaccinated full normality should resume . There will be no reason for it not at the moment

Deeper Blue

seamus wrote: »

There's also basically a warning in there not to promise that masks and social distancing will go away in the Summer, because we just don't know yet.

I wouldn't expect them to be gone in the summer, I'd imagine we're looking at a summer similar to last year. But by 2022 I'd expect normality.

seamus

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Look at it this way, if 82% of the population had some protection against covid when the virus appeared last March:

Would we have locked down? Not a chance
Would hospitals have been overwhelmed? No more than usual
Would social distancing and face masks have been brought in? I highly doubt it

That will be the scenario by the middle of summer so I don't see how social distancing etc could possibly be justified long term. And before anyone mentions "de variants", it's been shown that at worst they eliminate hospitalisations and deaths.

I think there's a lot of unnecessary noise being made at the moment about NPHETs discussion of social distancing next December.
The context was that outside of Covid we had a very quiet winter across all other seasonal illnesses, which won't happen next Winter.

When we lift mask and social distancing regulations, these illnesses will sweep back in. Our health system will come under pressure from these. So the state can't afford to be complacent, and can't afford to scale back on the investment that has been made into the health service.

There's also basically a warning in there not to promise that masks and social distancing will go away in the Summer, because we just don't know yet.

The wording of NPHETs letter sounds like they were saying that the Government should maintain distancing and masks long-term, but that's not what it said.

Sweet.Science

seamus wrote: »

Look at that ramp-up.

It'll be reporting over half a million doses done this day next week.

We're on a really good news buzz at the moment, every day getting better.

Great numbers . I can see why we needed to stay at level 5 until our most vulnerable were vaccinated . To avoid outbreaks in these environments etc

The narrative now needs to change

Cant keep playing down the affect vaccinations are having

hatrickpatrick

eagle eye wrote: »

Well just on that and I'm not trying to he negative but we don't know how this virus will react to large scale vaccinations. We may see other variants develop, hopefully not but we just have to wait and hope that the vaccine is the end of it.

I think the problem is that even if it isn't, we simply cannot entertain the idea of inflicting this hellscape on human interaction long term. It needs to be acknowledged very very quickly (as it was by Simon Harris in the early stages of the pandemic, indeed, when he was still minister for health) that regardless of vaccine efficiacy or any other factors, asking people to avoid crowds and maintain social distancing from friends and relatives indefinitely is not an acceptable paradigm for us to be talking about.

seamus

Apogee wrote: »

Thursday's NO: 17,952 administered. Mon-Thur: 52,640

Those numbers are in the infographic above - look at the circles for the different Cohorts (blue vs dark blue shading). Totals are summarised on left in red.

Look at that ramp-up.

It'll be reporting over half a million doses done this day next week.

We're on a really good news buzz at the moment, every day getting better.

eagle eye

Deeper Blue wrote:

And before anyone mentions "de variants", it's been shown that at worst they eliminate hospitalisations and deaths.

Well just on that and I'm not trying to he negative but we don't know how this virus will react to large scale vaccinations. We may see other variants develop, hopefully not but we just have to wait and hope that the vaccine is the end of it.

Deeper Blue

Look at it this way, if 82% of the population had some protection against covid when the virus appeared last March:

Would we have locked down? Not a chance
Would hospitals have been overwhelmed? No more than usual
Would social distancing and face masks have been brought in? I highly doubt it

That will be the scenario by the middle of summer so I don't see how social distancing etc could possibly be justified long term. And before anyone mentions "de variants", it's been shown that at worst they eliminate hospitalisations and deaths.

Icantthinkof1

gally74 wrote: »

Just one questions, if Vaccine passports are to be intoruced do we have enough tracability in ireland as to who or who didnt get one, As far as I know PPs no's are not collected?/[/url]

When signing up for the vaccine via the HSE portal I had to include my pps#
Not sure about the over 85’s would the GP’s have access to their patients pps#’s?

humberklog

Morries Wigs wrote: »

That rte article is click bait again-they have sold their souls

*"there souls"

eagle eye

Micky 32 wrote:

Realism? LOL. You should do a research on how effective the results of the vaccines are. . The UK reporting huge drop in hospital cases due to vaccination , now thereâ€™s realism for you. But i can understand why youâ€™re defending the article because thereâ€™s a cohort on here that it would suit lovely if the shyte they reported was true. Like it or not this is going to end.

I'm hoping it ends sooner than when the vaccine is rolled out. I'm hoping this clinical trial using ivermectin and other medicines prevents people from getting seriously ill and dying. That's the game changer if the trial is a success.

No negativity on my part. I'm working and it's been tough for everyone but we need to stick with it until it's safe.

eagle eye

VG31 wrote:

It's saying that social distancing will remain even after mass vaccinations. In that case how will it ever end? Elimination is a pipe dream.

As far as I'm concerned any suggestion that social distancing/mask wearing remains once everyone has been offered a vaccine is complete insanity.

Obviously you didn't read, or at least take all in, that was said.
It talks about children not being vaccinated and others who can't take it yet such as pregnant women and people with medical issues.

mick087

Micky 32 wrote: »

Realism? LOL. You should do a research on how effective the results of the vaccines are. . The UK reporting huge drop in hospital cases due to vaccination , now there’s realism for you. But i can understand why you’re defending the article because there’s a cohort on here that it would suit lovely if the shyte they reported was true. Like it or not this is going to end.

That's a excellent positive post.

Azatadine

The thing that infuriates me about RTE and their presenters/journalists is their constant lack of balance in terms of the topic.

It's not a case of having either of the four horsemen of the apocalypse (McConkey, Staines, Ryan, Killeen) on as one point of view, which is not problem, its the fact that they rarely have contributors from the other point of view as a counterbalance when they have an opportunity. The weighting of the contributions is heavily towards the four horsemen.

Morries Wigs

That rte article is click bait again-they have sold their souls

Micky 32

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't see how you make that out as doom and gloom. It's just a bit of realism and it's not saying we are going to remain in a harsh lockdown after most are vaccinated.

Realism? LOL. You should do a research on how effective the results of the vaccines are. . The UK reporting huge drop in hospital cases due to vaccination , now there’s realism for you. But i can understand why you’re defending the article because there’s a cohort on here that it would suit lovely if the shyte they reported was true. Like it or not this is going to end.