downcow wrote: » Ironic that a republican talks about ‘people bending over for it’ Anyhow. I am a ni unionist and I certainly appreciate the UK and feel nothing but thankful that I can be a member. Now I see you have moved the goal posts and are talking about being screwed over by the tories now and not the UK. ....it’s politics. We are big boys and will be fine
downcow wrote: » Anyhow. I am a ni unionist and I certainly appreciate the UK and feel nothing but thankful that I can be a member.
downcow wrote: » Well. I think most unionists recognise the advantageous position ni has been put in and that’s great. But the problem is the arrogance of Roi and Eu. They used the threat of violence to try and undermine our place in the union. They have manipulated things to place a border within the UK. How would someone in cork feel if the UK said they wanted a border between cork and the rest of Roi, and to do otherwise would mean british far right organisations would go to war. Ironically the arrangement pushes any chance of a UI into the distance. But unionists have every right to challenge the Irish Sea issues and to demand the Act of Unionists is not ignored
Fionn1952 wrote: » From Carson in 1921: "What a fool I was. I was only a puppet and so was Ulster, and so was Ireland in the political game that was to get the Conservative Party into power." A hundred years later, with the Tory government saying no Prime Minister or government could countenance an Irish Sea Border (I'm paraphrasing as I don't have the exact quote on this one), followed almost immediately by the Tory government agreeing to an Irish Sea border... the real question is when have NI Unionists NOT been screwed over (particularly by the Tories), and at what point will they stop bending over for it?
Sunny Disposition wrote: » Why are the unionists so angry about the new arrangements? It seems very disproportionate, maybe some of the unionists will explain.
downcow wrote: » Tell me how we’ve been screwed over?
lurleen lumpkin wrote: » Republicans are to blame for the British government screwing you over?
downcow wrote: » We are still in the UK despite republicans. So you could hardly say we’ve been shafted
downcow wrote: » I have no problem clarifying it. I have no idea whether it will be a game changer or not, but yes, it is a potential gamechanger. Do you think it is only Kate hoey and Ben habib that are party to the legal action or are you just being disingenuous In case you don’t know. Among others, the legal action has been signed by The leaders of all unionist parties in Northern Ireland The leader of the unionist group on HOC The First Minster of Northern Ireland The only living key architect of the Belfast Agreement, Lord Trimble Members of both Tory and Labour parties Pretty comprehensive
Fionn1952 wrote: » So why have successive British governments made a habit of absolutely screwing them every time they give them a modicum of trust? 'No prime minister could countenance a border in the Irish Sea' comes to mind.
Fionn1952 wrote: » I'll try again since you keep refusing to address it. Was the, 'potential gamechanger' (to use your own terminology) you previously referenced the legal challenge discussed on thread, and was the, 'cross party support' in Britain you referenced essentially just Kate Hoey and a bloke from the Brexit Party? I'm not sure why you're so reluctant to clarify this.
Nqp15hhu wrote: » Because the conservatives wanted a full Brexit and divergence from the EU.
RobMc59 wrote: » Mainland Britain appreciated NI standing firm and the sacrifices made in dark times which republicans seem unable to grasp. "Belfast Blitz - Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_Blitz
downcow wrote: » How exactly were no unionists shafted. I am very grateful for the support of the wealthier parts of the mainland. There was a time long ago when we provided lots of support to those areas
FrancieBrady wrote: » Rob...they shafted NI Unionists...stating that the UK is built on it, makes the shafting all the more profound, it doesn't diminish it. Have to say, you flew past the comment about what regions in the UK will now be missing out on with all the aplomb of the Red Arrows there. Beautifully done!
Natterjack from Kerry wrote: » The subvention spent over the last 50 years on NI
RobMc59 wrote: » Been coming to Ireland over 40 years with a wife from Drogheda so probably a bit more than a single holiday visit to Derry. I've never noticed any striking difference between the two places(Ireland/NI).I understand the difference in salaries etc but also know the cost of living is considerably higher in Ireland. You don't tend to deride the UK although many of your fellow posters of a republican persuasion do.The same ones have pulled me up saying I don't live in Ireland/NI but the fact they don't live in the UK apparently sails over their heads when they're criticising the UK on the myriad of anti UK threads.
Fionn1952 wrote: » Once more, I'd ask for specifics Rob. Actual quotes from posters that are in any way relevant to this investment. A Republican poster (rightly or wrongly so we don't go down that rabbit hole) deriding the impact that Britain has had in Ireland doesn't require direct experience with living in Britain; they require direct experience with the impact Britain has had on Ireland. You're trying to discuss the local economy of specific parts of NI and your experience is that you had a holiday there and claim to look at a few job boards. It is unbelievable how far off the mark you are in this particular case though; it is well documented how dependent NI is on public sector employment (another one of the boasts when claiming that unification is unaffordable, conveniently forgotten about when trying to argue the contradictory position about NI prosperity), it is well documented that it has struggled to attract inward investment that is even remotely comparable to that of the rest of Ireland. There is a well documented brain drain issue with NI, with students going off to University and not coming back due to lack of local opportunities (this particular issue impacts on the Unionist community disproportionately, being more likely to attend university in Britain and stay there). But you visited Derry once and looked on a jobs board, so obviously you know more about the local economy and employment prospects than people who lived in it.
RobMc59 wrote: » Fionn,I'm aware many major companies have invested in Ireland,I'm not disputing that.As I've said in previous posts, any reporting of positive news about NI is belittled by republicans who don't want NI to prosper as its against their agenda imo. I don't know when you moved from NI although it's common for republican posters to deride Britain even though they don't live there,what's so wrong with me singing the praises of NI even though I don't live there.? I've always kept a close eye on employment opportunities in NI/Ireland and agree there are more available in Ireland but there are decent jobs available in NI imo. If anything,I'd say there's a shortage of qualified people in both..
droidman123 wrote: » Yes i know that,but if thats your feelings,why did you vote to remain?
RobMc59 wrote: » Just posting about this investment has provoked a furious reaction amongst republicans here. My comments about a nest of vipers was aimed specifically at the bureaucrats in brussels,not the nations of the EU.
Fionn1952 wrote: » My request stands, all I'm asking for is that you provide a quote which this investment, 'flies in the face of'. I've visited most major cities in the UK, Rob.....I wouldn't try having an authoritative discussion with people who spent most of their life living nearby based on having a wee holiday there, so while I'm not saying your experience is totally invalid, I am saying that perhaps those who live in the area might have a bit more knowledge of the subject than someone who spent a few days holidaying there, experiencing the city as a tourist rather than going through the likes of trying to find employment in the area (particularly high value employment- a topic close to my heart as the main reason I left the North, even taking the higher living costs into account, my salary here is vastly superior compared with living in the North, and growth opportunities beyond my level at the time I moved practically non-existent) or dealing with awful infrastructure (I suggest looking up a map of motorways and rail services in the North for some context on this).
RobMc59 wrote: » Francie,don't you understand Unionism doesn't just exist in NI.The whole UK is built on Unionism. Unionism in NI is one part of it. I don't dispute there are poor regions in the UK which I attribute to years of tory austerity and failure to invest.Britain isn't the only country guilty of this. Investment is required in Ireland for example,transport links to NW Ireland is lacking and border counties are crying out for Investment. I believe,wherever you go ,regardless of country the regions nearest the capital get the lions share of funding imo.
Natterjack from Kerry wrote: » That is why NI must make its own future, not dream that all would be fine if it joined brand Eire, but seize the phenomenally good deal the Brexit fallout has handed it, and exploit and rebuild itself economically as a dual status region, effectively both part of the UK, and of the EU trade zone.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Rob, the UK government shafted NI Unionists for their own selfish interests...have you not been following? Overlooked? They totally ignored them and bull****ted them, then shafted them and they will do it again. If you want to see what cities and regions in the 'UK' are missing out on and are going to miss out on going forward, read about Cornwall and Sunderland. Derry is lucky to get this no doubt but it is long long overdue.
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