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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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Apogee

Wednesday's No - 17,182 administered.

eoinbn

is_that_so wrote: »

Possibly Curevac and Novavax. Curevac should be reporting quite soon and Novavax in April. Curevac will bottle Pfizer later in the year if they are not happy with the data.

We might get some early data from Curevac in late March or early April but it won't go for approval until May or June. The CEO expects it to be approved in June.
The figures released on Tuesday aren't going to reflect what is delivered. The government has set themselves up for huge criticism in April.
There is zero chance that Pfizer/BioNtech will deliver 700k in April. The big uplift in their production in Q2 will be from BioNtech's new factory but that doesn't start shipping until mid April - at the earliest. Pfizer/BioNtech could hit the overall target but it will be back loaded. The same is also likely true for Moderna.
J&J production could go either way. In the US they are going to be behind at first but hope to be able to make it up later in the Q2.

VonLuck

eoinbn wrote: »

There is zero chance that Pfizer/BioNtech will deliver 700k in April.

Where did you read that?

JTMan

Interesting New York Times article here (paywall) on EU states hunting for other ways to get vaccines.

Other ways being explored:
1. Acquiring doses that were given up. Germany has secured 50 million Moderna vaccine doses, a significantly larger number than it would get under its population-based allocation. Some available because Poland turned down extra Moderna orders. Netherlands has secured, from one or more other E.U. countries, 600,000 doses of the shot that Pfizer from a country giving up doses.
2. Middle men selling vaccines. Some fraudulent sellers, some legit. Some middle men say they can sell doses from the UAE and elsewhere. Regional Italian areas considering purchases via these middle men.
3. Side/direct deals occurring. Germany also secured a controversial side-deal with Pfizer-BioNTech, for an extra 30 million doses.
4. Some EU countries weighing purchases from Russia and China. E.U. officials say they are getting calls from several other member states eager to see the bloc approve the Russian shot, Sputnik V.

France not ruling out other ways. “If vaccine doses happen to be available, the instruction is clear: France will buy immediately.”

Time for Ireland to think out the box and get vaccines via side deals? Perhaps a side deal with the UK or going aggressively after Oxford/other doses that other countries are giving up.

timsey tiger

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

EMA is by latest mid-March, so it's possible it could be this week coming or early the week after.

It's unlikely to be long anyway.

I read 11th of March

Lucas Hood

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1365630765078368257?s=19

Over 18000 vaccines administered on Wednesday. Good to see it being ramped up.

irishlad.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit?usp=sharing

So approximately 37,000 doses Mon-Wed this week. Target is 100,000

Micky 32

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1365584822656188418?s=21

hmmm

Interesting anecdotal reports that many Long-Covid sufferers feel better after getting their vaccines.

Some heavyweight commentators are suggesting it may be that the vaccine is clearing some dormant reservoir of the virus.

https://twitter.com/DanielGriffinMD/status/1364636521123487744

snotboogie

Danzy wrote: »

It's a compact country and at this stage there is no social distancing, it'll be another month before they see immunity kick in hard from vaccines.

Everyone of those 3500 cases may have been, in theory, vaccinated but waiting an immune response. 45% remain to be done and people are no longer distancing, normal life and f Covid is the response from most under 40s. Which is the wrong attitude. Many of that cohort aren't bothered about getting the vaccine.

In a month to six weeks you'd expect Israel to be near post Covid.

Ya things will improve there and it will be really interesting to watch the case numbers over the next month. Its a bit disheartening for us considering how far off 90 doses per 100 we are and the negligible effect that number has on overall case numbers.

Micky 32

Is it just me but when you hear of groups who advise being set up like this , normality just seems to be further and further away….

“”A National Oversight Group for Variants of Concern (VOC) has been set up to monitor and advise about the challenges posed new strains of the virus.””

Yoghurt87

I had my first AZ shot yesterday. The shot itself didn’t hurt at all, I found the regular flu vaccine worse. I had some annoying palpitations last night but aside from some mild aches and tiredness I’m feeling great.

I was obviously excited if a bit apprehensive to be getting the vaccine but I’m still surprised at the relief and happiness I feel today. The atmosphere in the vaccination centre between the vaccinators and people receiving it was the most positive experience I have encountered in the past year. Onwards and upwards from here.

Multipass

hmmm wrote: »

Interesting anecdotal reports that many Long-Covid sufferers feel better after getting their vaccines.

Some heavyweight commentators are suggesting it may be that the vaccine is clearing some dormant reservoir of the virus.

https://twitter.com/DanielGriffinMD/status/1364636521123487744

Also suggests there’s a heavy psychological element.

ceegee

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I wonder who that one fully-vaccinated Cohort 3 (>70-year-olds who aren't in a nursing home) member is, I bet it's Miggledy. :pac:

I think I saw on some slide earlier in the week that it was a patient who had received their first dose in a nursing home and second from the GP (possibly someone whod been temporarily in a nursing home for step down care?)

eagle eye

Multipass wrote:

Also suggests thereâ€™s a heavy psychological element.

How do.yku.make that out?
I've a friend who is suffering from long covid. Not the type to suffer psychologically, he's the type that says he's fine even when he's not, the type who wants to get on with things no matter what. His passion is breeding horses and nothing will ever stop him from making sure that his horses are well looked after, that's until he got covid and then long covid.
I don't believe for one second that there's any psychological element to his illness.

Marhay70

eagle eye wrote: »

How do.yku.make that out?
I've a friend who is suffering from long covid. Not the type to suffer psychologically, he's the type that says he's fine even when he's not, the type who wants to get on with things no matter what. His passion is breeding horses and nothing will ever stop him from making sure that his horses are well looked after, that's until he got covid and then long covid.
I don't believe for one second that there's any psychological element to his illness.

I didn't take that from the OP's post, rather that having the vaccine gave a psychological lift. A bit like a sunny winter's day, it doesn't mean that winter isn't a thing, rather that it won't last forever and better times will come. I suppose it's a matter of perspective.

ACitizenErased

There’s a psychological element to every infection, thats a fact

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JTMan wrote: »

Interesting New York Times article here (paywall) on EU states hunting for other ways to get vaccines.

Other ways being explored:
1. Acquiring doses that were given up. Germany has secured 50 million Moderna vaccine doses, a significantly larger number than it would get under its population-based allocation. Some available because Poland turned down extra Moderna orders. Netherlands has secured, from one or more other E.U. countries, 600,000 doses of the shot that Pfizer from a country giving up doses.
2. Middle men selling vaccines. Some fraudulent sellers, some legit. Some middle men say they can sell doses from the UAE and elsewhere. Regional Italian areas considering purchases via these middle men.
3. Side/direct deals occurring. Germany also secured a controversial side-deal with Pfizer-BioNTech, for an extra 30 million doses.
4. Some EU countries weighing purchases from Russia and China. E.U. officials say they are getting calls from several other member states eager to see the bloc approve the Russian shot, Sputnik V.

France not ruling out other ways. “If vaccine doses happen to be available, the instruction is clear: France will buy immediately.”

Time for Ireland to think out the box and get vaccines via side deals? Perhaps a side deal with the UK or going aggressively after Oxford/other doses that other countries are giving up.

France need to sort out the uptake of the vaccines before worrying about buying more.

All of this seems a bit pointless, we're 6 weeks off being overloaded with supplies, unless this stuff can be delivered overnight its not overly helpful.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Lucas Hood wrote: »

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1365630765078368257?s=19

Over 18000 vaccines administered on Wednesday. Good to see it being ramped up.

By my back of the fag pack calculations that's 0.36% of the pop that received a dose on Wednesday (for OurWorldInData lovers).

MerlinSouthDub

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

By my back of the fag pack calculations that's 0.36% of the pop that received a dose on Wednesday (for OurWorldInData lovers).

Or 0.45% of the adult population. Great to see we can quickly scale up when we have the supplies.

XsApollo

I’m happy with the vaccine program so far, the first groups we are doing are not so easy and have special considerations that need to be factored in, such as mobility , mental health, age , locations and so on.
Once we get to general population groups where all that really isn’t an issue the administration of vaccines should speed up considerably.

Turtwig

Multipass wrote: »

Also suggests there’s a heavy psychological element.

You can't really quantify any such element yet. There is probably a psychological element. Heavy though? That's quite the assumption. Not saying it's wrong mind. Just I don't see how you can make such a strong assumption.

irishlad.

Cohort 1 & 2 seem to be still getting a nice amount of 1st doses this week.

Any idea is there many more doses left to be given to these cohorts?

Wolf359f

Definitely seems to be a more positive trend on this thread lately (apart from when 'scary' new variants are found in the arse end of nowhere)
I think we can see the end game here finally, just a shame we have no clarity on restrictions lifting post April.
Michael Martins statement came days before evidence of vaccines reducing transmission and seeing the reduction in incidence in vaccinated people in Ireland.

Stark

Multipass wrote: »

Also suggests there’s a heavy psychological element.

Was thinking the same. A lot of the long covid symptoms I've heard described sound a lot like the physical symptoms of anxiety disorders.

Apogee

irishlad. wrote: »

Cohort 1 & 2 seem to be still getting a nice amount of 1st doses this week.

Any idea is there many more doses left to be given to these cohorts?

I keep wondering when will the addition of new first doses stop with Cohorts 1 and 2. Still more planned for next week, but we must be getting close with Cohort 1 (600 next week) - most likely these are cases where outbreaks prevented earlier vaccinations.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1364942069354135553

ACitizenErased

Can't imagine how relieved healthcare workers must be to hear about reduced transmission from the vaccines - really prepares them in case they're called upon again

ACitizenErased

Just in case people were wondering, this is how vaccines are delivered to GPs

https://twitter.com/Dickdoc123/status/1365227770415112195?s=20

ingalway

I had the Astrazenica yesterday. Arm was sore and slight muscle pain to start with until 12 hours later then it really kicked off! Terrible night - freezing cold then really hot, really bad body aches and arm feels like a massive knife was stabbed into it. Almost 26 hours later still feel very tired and sore but I'm sure no where near as bad as getting Covid so well worth it long term I hope.
I keep hearing that people who got the Pfizer had very little reaction to first jab but much worse on the second. I'm hoping that the second Astrazenica will be much easier. As it's a 12 week wait too soon to know yet how people are reacting.
Very glad not to be working this weekend.

celt262

Apogee wrote: »

I keep wondering when will the addition of new first doses stop with Cohorts 1 and 2. Still more planned for next week, but we must be getting close with Cohort 1 (600 next week) - most likely these are cases where outbreaks prevented earlier vaccinations.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1364942069354135553

That's great looks like my parents will be getting the jab in the next week or two (over 70's)