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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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NeuralNetwork

The ECDC thing was being flagged by people on Twitter a few days ago and they responded, blaming member states basically as that's where the data comes from, but seemingly nothing was done and now the story will just grow legs.

It's pretty basic communications strategy that you don't publish data that isn't up to date without a LOT of health warnings around it.

It shouldn't be that hard to contact 27 health authorities every day and pull accurate data.

Also the HSE or Government Comms people here would want to make damn sure the information going to those sites is accurate as it has impact on all sorts of things as those stories spin up.

It's even worse when you've heightened scrutiny on stuff like this and political sensitivities.

Turtwig

The Irish examiner should at the very least update their original article.

Fakediamond

ingalway wrote: »

I got mine 9 hours ago. Going by your timeline any side effects might start kicking in soon. So far I'm feeling pretty OK, arm is a little tender and I'm tired but nothing else, yet! I hope it stays this way but it's good to know in advance what could happen and that it should be gone fairly quickly. Thanks for the update.

A friend of mine got AZ vaccine in UK some weeks ago and had no ill effects at all, apart from a sore arm. My niece in UK also got,it, and was quite sick for a couple of days but fine after that.

titan18

Tbf considering its the HSE, it wouldn't shock me if they're the cause of the inaccurate reporting. Could be ECDC too, or both being crap.

Ha Long Bay

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf considering its the HSE, it wouldn't shock me if they're the cause of the inaccurate reporting. Could be ECDC too, or both being crap.

It's not the HSE in this case.

HSE Vaccine rollout

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout-covid-19-vaccines-ireland.html#progress-update

Link to the data on the site is here

https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

And here is an example from another boards poster who has put together an excellent website pulling the data via api from the geohive site.

https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/vaccines/

ACitizenErased

The state of the media hopping on the bandwagon saying they aren't being used before even checking with the HSE ffs. What a load of rags.

Goldengirl

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fantastic for the US

And fantastic for Us !

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Turtwig wrote: »

The Irish examiner should at the very least update their original article.

They need their clicks!

Wolf359f

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

They need their clicks!

If they had to pay a fine of 10x the click profit they earned, they may be more inclined to publish accurate and non-misleading junk!

Sorry I'm just pissed off with the media lately.

theguzman

I'm abroad at the moment, what is the situation at home with the vaccines now? Last I heard it was the over 85's getting it plus HSE Workers are their cronies in admin + office quango positions. This was early February so I don't know if anything has changed since.

celt262

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The state of the media hopping on the bandwagon saying they aren't being used before even checking with the HSE ffs. What a load of rags.

And the Facebook mob outraged at it.

Wolf359f

theguzman wrote: »

I'm abroad at the moment, what is the situation at home with the vaccines now? Last I heard it was the over 85's getting it plus HSE Workers are their cronies in admin + office quango positions. This was early February so I don't know if anything has changed since.

Yeah what changed was the cronies in admin were not cronies, they were actually HSE workers. Or do you just view any HSE admin staff as a cronie?

Turtwig

Wolf359f wrote: »

If they had to pay a fine of 10x the click profit they earned, they may be more inclined to publish accurate and non-misleading junk!

Sorry I'm just pissed off with the media lately.

Always worth remembering this is just the stuff you've had to time to become familiar with yourself. It doesn't reassure me that if I read something else by this journalist it's going to be reliable. Any time they've ventured into knowledge pools in areas I'm familiar with they've failed massively. The one thing this pandemic has made me question is if simple stuff like a report on a murder or car crash in actually reliable. Journalists, many of them anyway, simply are not checking anything. They're just parrots.

Wolf359f

Turtwig wrote: »

Always worth remembering this is just the stuff you've had to time to become familiar with yourself. It doesn't reassure me that if I read something else by this journalist it's going to be reliable. Any time they've ventured into knowledge pools in areas I'm familiar with they've failed massively. The one thing this pandemic has made me question is if simple stuff like a report on a murder or car crash in actually reliable. Journalists, many of them anyway, simply are not checking anything. They're just parrots.

That's a really valid point. I just assume because this pandemic is all consuming that's why they go extremes reporting it, even if it's not accurate.
But for other thing's, if a journalist embellishes the truth on one story (they are meant to be impartial) who to say they don't on others.
You could have media sites raking in the cash with the pandemic bad news and once it's over, they can see bad news = profit and continue.
I think it's a common consensus that the media have not been impartial and have not been providing the service to the standards we would assume they would be.

Twitter and Facebook are one thing, but RTE/VM etc... should be above that.

harr

How is it some people are getting quite sick from second dose of the vaccine and others are feeling no ill effects at all ? I know a number of people who got the Pfizer one and were perfect after it and others who were very sick.
Is it down to who was giving the vaccine?
The people I know who got ill seemed to have got it from the same location/doctor and those who didn’t got it from a nurse in a second location.
Seems odd can that you can such a wide swing of after effects.
Certainly won’t but me off getting it...

Dressoutlet

harr wrote: »

How is it some people are getting quite sick from second dose of the vaccine and others are feeling no ill effects at all ? I know a number of people who got the Pfizer one and were perfect after it and others who were very sick.
Is it down to who was giving the vaccine?
The people I know who got ill seemed to have got it from the same location/doctor and those who didn’t got it from a nurse in a second location.
Seems odd can that you can such a wide swing of after effects.
Certainly won’t but me off getting it...

The same question can be asked as why 2 siblings who smoke 40 a day for 20 years. And one gets cancer but the other doesn't.
It's just down to individual people's immune systems at the end of the day I'd say.

Golfman64

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

I agree, they should check but one would also assume that a source like the ECDC is extremely accurate. It is meant to be an EU health agency. This is meant to be what they do...

It will get worse if you start getting tweeters and bloggers jumping to conclusions based on data that's only being updated very sporadically.

Cue outrage on Twitter - some seriously angry responses.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1365434866750390273?s=20

Is there not a very simple explanation for this? In Ireland, we have a different policy to many countries regarding the second dose. In essence, to ensure continuity of supply, the second dose of vaccine is reserved from current stock when the first dose is administered. Therefore you will have vaccine sitting unused until the second dose is due. The journalists/paper in question have probably missed this and just run with the sensationalist and dramatic headline.

Van.Bosch

harr wrote: »

How is it some people are getting quite sick from second dose of the vaccine and others are feeling no ill effects at all ? I know a number of people who got the Pfizer one and were perfect after it and others who were very sick.
Is it down to who was giving the vaccine?
The people I know who got ill seemed to have got it from the same location/doctor and those who didn’t got it from a nurse in a second location.
Seems odd can that you can such a wide swing of after effects.
Certainly won’t but me off getting it...

The same two people could get Covid and one be fine and the other get a bad dose of it.

I wonder do some people have something in them which naturally protects them from the virus (asymptomatic cases and no effect from vaccine) and other don’t (symptomatic and reaction to vaccine)?

Just a thought - could be way off.

Sky King

Golfman64 wrote: »

, the second dose of vaccine is reserved from current stock when the first dose is administered. Therefore you will have vaccine sitting unused until the second dose is due..

I don't think that was the case at all - if it was then there's no point in waiting 12 weeks to dish out dose 2. Why leave it on the shelf?

is_that_so

Van.Bosch wrote: »

The same two people could get Covid and one be fine and the other get a bad dose of it.

I wonder do some people have something in them which naturally protects them from the virus (asymptomatic cases and no effect from vaccine) and other don’t (symptomatic and reaction to vaccine)?

Just a thought - could be way off.

There are a number of lines of research they are looking at on that at present, one is autoantibodies, where antibodies attack random parts of the body. The genetic element may deliver a clearer explanation, but it is an ongoing puzzle as there may be multiple genes involved.

VonLuck

I'm sure this has been answered somewhere here before, but hard to search the thread for the info - are there any vaccines (either new or additional supplies of existing) that haven't been taken account of in the government's estimated timeframe from last Tuesday?

is_that_so

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm sure this has been answered somewhere here before, but hard to search the thread for the info - are there any vaccines (either new or additional supplies of existing) that haven't been taken account of in the government's estimated timeframe from last Tuesday?

Possibly Curevac and Novavax. Curevac should be reporting quite soon and Novavax in April. Curevac will bottle Pfizer later in the year if they are not happy with the data.

PopePalpatine

john4321 wrote: »

It's not the HSE in this case.

HSE Vaccine rollout

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout-covid-19-vaccines-ireland.html#progress-update

Link to the data on the site is here

https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations

And here is an example from another boards poster who has put together an excellent website pulling the data via api from the geohive site.

https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/vaccines/

I wonder who that one fully-vaccinated Cohort 3 (>70-year-olds who aren't in a nursing home) member is, I bet it's Miggledy. :pac:

WoollyRedHat

Reason's to be cheerful on a Saturday morning:

The sun is out and the vaccines work...
we are on the precipice of reaching a wonderland, chins up please!

Danzy

Van.Bosch wrote: »

The same two people could get Covid and one be fine and the other get a bad dose of it.

I wonder do some people have something in them which naturally protects them from the virus (asymptomatic cases and no effect from vaccine) and other don’t (symptomatic and reaction to vaccine)?

Just a thought - could be way off.

There is reason to believe that, in India they are looking at parasite infection as having given previous immunity, or enough to help the body survive. Vit D levels is a key indicator of outcome as well.

It'll be a long list of different things.

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Golfman64 wrote: »

Is there not a very simple explanation for this? In Ireland, we have a different policy to many countries regarding the second dose. In essence, to ensure continuity of supply, the second dose of vaccine is reserved from current stock when the first dose is administered. Therefore you will have vaccine sitting unused until the second dose is due. The journalists/paper in question have probably missed this and just run with the sensationalist and dramatic headline.

Why would we be holding back supply when there is a 12 week dosing interval? You might start stockpiling second doses in 8 weeks or so, but at present there is no reason to hold back administering the available supply.

Danzy

Golfman64 wrote: »

Is there not a very simple explanation for this? In Ireland, we have a different policy to many countries regarding the second dose. In essence, to ensure continuity of supply, the second dose of vaccine is reserved from current stock when the first dose is administered. Therefore you will have vaccine sitting unused until the second dose is due. The journalists/paper in question have probably missed this and just run with the sensationalist and dramatic headline.

No, it's more than that, in most of the EU it's not given out first or second in a timely fashion.

It's a lack of planning. It's like their is a skepticism to Vaccination in general, not just planning for 2 doses.

There is no evidence of enthusiasm in the EU or many European Govts for rolling it out, regardless of supply constraints or dosing strategies.

snotboogie

Surprised there isn't more discussion of what's happening internationally on this thread. Israel now at 90+ doses per 100 people about 55 with the first and 35 with the second. They still are hitting 3.5k cases per day (more per capita than us). The UK is really going the other way with 30 per 100 with the first dose and only 1 per 100 with the second. I wonder what the daily numbers will look like in the UK when they hit 90 per 100. Israels cases really show us how far we still have to go and perhaps make sense of the conservatism from our government

Danzy

snotboogie wrote: »

Surprised there isn't more discussion of what's happening internationally on this thread. Israel now at 90+ doses per 100 people about 55 with the first and 35 with the second. They still are hitting 3.5k cases per day (more per capita than us). The UK is really going the other way with 30 per 100 with the first dose and only 1 per 100 with the second. I wonder what the daily numbers will look like in the UK when they hit 90 per 100. Israels cases really show us how far we still have to go and perhaps make sense of the conservatism from our government

It's a compact country and at this stage there is no social distancing, it'll be another month before they see immunity kick in hard from vaccines.

Everyone of those 3500 cases may have been, in theory, vaccinated but waiting an immune response. 45% remain to be done and people are no longer distancing, normal life and f Covid is the response from most under 40s. Which is the wrong attitude. Many of that cohort aren't bothered about getting the vaccine.

In a month to six weeks you'd expect Israel to be near post Covid.

Van.Bosch

18,078 doses on Wednesday.