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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Klonker

I don't think any rational person could fault the roll out so far apart from the first week when vaccines arrived. I think the Government and HSE were stunned by the criticism then when they planned to sit on the vaccines for 2 weeks and it jolted them to get started over a week before they planned to and they haven't looked back then. I actually found the funniest thing was there was actually none or very little criticism initially from journalists until there was criticism from the general public first. Doing the journalists jobs for them :pac:

Since then they've administered almost as quickly as they've received them. The problem is the supply which is an EU issue, not an Irish government issue.

josip

PhoenixParker wrote: »

We pretty much will too. At least for first doses.

We'll have distributed well over 4 million doses by then. Some will be J&J which is one dose, alot will be AZ which has a 12 week dose interval ( anyone dosed after mid April won't need a second dose in Q2) and even Pfizer & Moderna will have those with a first dose in June having a second dose after the end of Q2.

By the end of June we're looking at 60-80% of the adult population with at least 1 dose I'd say.

But the UK are only aiming for the end of July
They are at ~27% 1st dose vaccinated at the moment compared to our and Denmark's ~6%
Are the UK expecting supply constraints or is end of June unrealistic for Denmark and us?
Based on projected supply I only see us finishing Group 12 (key workers) by the end of June and still to start on the 1.5m 18-54 year old cohort.

Juran

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/travellers-should-be-prioritised-for-covid-19-vaccination-1.4489764

I cannot believe the IT printed this ...

hynesie08

josip wrote: »

But the UK are only aiming for the end of July
They are at 33% 1st dose vaccinated at the moment compared to our and Denmark's 5?%
Are the UK expecting supply constraints or is end of June unrealistic for Denmark and us?
Based on projected supply I only see us finishing Group 12 (key workers) by the end of June and still to start on the 1.5m 18-54 year old cohort.

First dose by end of July is still 10 million a month. Plus isn't there fears that there could be a very slow uptake among the BAME community, can't see an out of the box % comparable to nursing homes and 85+.

is_that_so

josip wrote: »

But the UK are only aiming for the end of July
They are at ~27% 1st dose vaccinated at the moment compared to our and Denmark's ~6%
Are the UK expecting supply constraints or is end of June unrealistic for Denmark and us?
Based on projected supply I only see us finishing Group 12 (key workers) by the end of June and still to start on the 1.5m 18-54 year old cohort.

J&J can take a big bite out of that and we may also have Curevac if the data is good.

Amirani

Juran wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/travellers-should-be-prioritised-for-covid-19-vaccination-1.4489764

I cannot believe the IT printed this ...

People living in overcrowded conditions already are priorititised in the rollout.

I see no need to have a further subdivision based on membership of the travelling community (particularly when there's no evidence to suggest they're more at risk of serious illness - unlike certain races and ethnicities).

is_that_so

Amirani wrote: »

People living in overcrowded conditions already are priorititised in the rollout.

I see no need to have a further subdivision based on membership of the travelling community (particularly when there's no evidence to suggest they're more at risk of serious illness - unlike certain races and ethnicities).

Well, NPHET did report on certain groups in the early days who were more at risk, mainly travellers and Roma.

Chris_5339762

Deathofcool wrote: »

Interesting news on the SA variant. Someone give the news to RTE and Sam McConkey quick

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1363551912021221377

I wonder if the B117 Kent variant was a blessing in disguise, in a sense. It SEEMS (just me talking) that B117 outcompetes the SA variant, and therefore "wins", with SA disappearing. Otherwise, why isn't the SA variant absolutely everywhere, with huge percentages of the numbers.

Perhaps without B117 being dominant, SA might have dominated, and then things might be worse than they are.

NeuralNetwork

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I wonder if the B117 Kent variant was a blessing in disguise, in a sense. It SEEMS (just me talking) that B117 outcompetes the SA variant, and therefore "wins", with SA disappearing. Otherwise, why isn't the SA variant absolutely everywhere, with huge percentages of the numbers.

Perhaps without B117 being dominant, SA might have dominated, and then things might be worse than they are.

Only if it’s causing immunity to the SA varient.

VG31

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I wonder if the B117 Kent variant was a blessing in disguise, in a sense. It SEEMS (just me talking) that B117 outcompetes the SA variant, and therefore "wins", with SA disappearing. Otherwise, why isn't the SA variant absolutely everywhere, with huge percentages of the numbers.

Perhaps without B117 being dominant, SA might have dominated, and then things might be worse than they are.

That may indeed be the case. It was reported yesterday that the South African and Brazilian variants are declining in the UK.

The number of cases of South African and Brazilian variants of Covid-19 in the UK appears to be falling, the British health secretary Matt Hancock said on Sunday.

Hancock said there was evidence that enhanced contact-tracing and stricter border measures were helping to control the number of people being infected by those new variants first discovered abroad.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/feb/21/coronavirus-live-news-australia-begins-vaccine-rollout-israel-says-pfizer-jab-96-effective?page=with:block-60323c668f08c3cb92a5dd6a#block-60323c668f08c3cb92a5dd6a

Water John

The most infectious variant becomes the dominant, not the one that causes the severest illness.

Sweet.Science

Juran wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/travellers-should-be-prioritised-for-covid-19-vaccination-1.4489764

I cannot believe the IT printed this ...

Nobody should be going on holiday at the moment

lbj666

VG31 wrote: »

That may indeed be the case. It was reported yesterday that the South African and Brazilian variants are declining in the UK.

The number of cases of South African and Brazilian variants of Covid-19 in the UK appears to be falling, the British health secretary Matt Hancock said on Sunday.

Hancock said there was evidence that enhanced contact-tracing and stricter border measures were helping to control the number of people being infected by those new variants first discovered abroad.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/feb/21/coronavirus-live-news-australia-begins-vaccine-rollout-israel-says-pfizer-jab-96-effective?page=with:block-60323c668f08c3cb92a5dd6a#block-60323c668f08c3cb92a5dd6a

Would variants the vacines are less effective on (note how I say less effective not evade) eventually become the dominant strains though?

celt262

lbj666 wrote: »

Would variants the vacines are less effective on (note how I say less effective not evade) eventually become the dominant strains though?

That's why we have to be very careful not to open up to quick in case something we cannot predict happens.

[Deleted User]

Water John wrote: »

The most infectious variant becomes the dominant, not the one that causes the severest illness.

Not quite. It's the one that has the highest fitness advantage that will become dominant. That advantage can come from any number or combination of things such as transmittability, seasonal effects, circumstance, level of immunity in the population, etc.

Necro

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ACitizenErased

This was sent to all GPs and pharmacists today, got it from a college lecturer. Thought it might be interesting.

astrofool

Ronald Franz wrote: »

Well, rightly or wrongly some countries have refused to give clearance for Astra zeneca.

There is a possibility when it comes to vaccine passports that people with AZ will have a limited amount of countries they can travel to.
Are some business going to have a standard of vaccine requirement for service?
If there are people vaccinated at 91% efficiency are they going to allow lower levels.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that, one of the Chinese vaccines efficacy is tracking close to the AZ efficacy and symptoms. They are proven to reduce severe illness in < 70 and look like they have a good effect on transmission, then both should be fine.

stephenjmcd

Public health England have released the below

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1363876304446251012?s=19

ACitizenErased

Key point on Pfizer vaccine from above on importance of second dose:

Vaccine effectiveness in over 80 year olds, estimated as 1-odds ratio, was 57% (95% CIs 48-63%) from 28days after the first dose of vaccination (table 1). Protection after the second dose rises to 88% after 7 days(95% CIs 84-90%), although the group eligible for both doses is not likely to be representative of all over 80s-for example this would not include any care home residents.

Azatadine

They just can't get out of the captivity of negativity..(Ryan, Mckonkey, Staines).

‘New variant more infectious among children’ – Trinity professor says schools only safe when community is

https://www.independent.ie/news/new-variant-more-infectious-among-children-trinity-professor-says-schools-only-safe-when-community-is-40117845.html

statesaver

Denmark plan to have their entire population vaccinated by end of June.

They have about 1 million more people than us and are also an EU country. Irish government plan to have us done by September, apparently. I just don't understand this. Shockingly slow role out here.

Bubbaclaus

statesaver wrote: »

Denmark plan to have their entire population vaccinated by end of June.

They have about 1 million more people than us and are also an EU country. Irish government plan to have us done by September, apparently. I just don't understand this. Shockingly slow role out here.

Not another one *facepalm*

[Deleted User]

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Tough times for all out there but this thread is undoubtedly the one that keeps me sane (for the most part) with some really good positive posting.

As for the vaccine rollout, it is frustrating but I think it would be unfair to give too much blame to the Irish Government, we are with the EU and whilst some think that is a bad thing if it was a free for all Ireland would be vaccinated in about 2024.

That said as a Brit I can't help but feel a bit of envy when I see them flying ahead, my mum, sister, grandparents, couple of best friends all have their vaccines (health workers and elderly) and some of my other mates who are mid 30's reckon they will have theirs in May, time will tell on that!

Micky 32

Boris Johnson:

“All restrictions could be lifted by June 21st in the UK!”

“”From 21 June at the earliest, all remaining restrictions on social contact could be lifted, larger events can go ahead and nightclubs could finally reopen.””

Le Bruise

Micky 32 wrote: »

Boris Johnson:

“All restrictions could be lifted by June 21st in the UK!”

“”From 21 June at the earliest, all remaining restrictions on social contact could be lifted, larger events can go ahead and nightclubs could finally reopen.””

I know it's in the UK not Ireland and Boris's announcements have to be taken with a pinch of salt.....but it's cheered me up no end! Our government will have to follow suit eventually.

Amirani

statesaver wrote: »

Denmark plan to have their entire population vaccinated by end of June.

They have about 1 million more people than us and are also an EU country. Irish government plan to have us done by September, apparently. I just don't understand this. Shockingly slow role out here.

Apparently so.

statesaver

Amirani wrote: »

Apparently so.

I'm very happy to be wrong ( looks like I am ) on this and talking out my ass. Just frustrated (like everyone else ).

Need to get back to work ... never thought I'd be saying that

is_that_so

statesaver wrote: »

Denmark plan to have their entire population vaccinated by end of June.

They have about 1 million more people than us and are also an EU country. Irish government plan to have us done by September, apparently. I just don't understand this. Shockingly slow role out here.

Yes they do, by including two vaccines that haven't even been approved!

hynesie08

statesaver wrote: »

Denmark plan to have their entire population vaccinated by end of June.

They have about 1 million more people than us and are also an EU country. Irish government plan to have us done by September, apparently. I just don't understand this. Shockingly slow role out here.

Prof MacCraith explained that by last Monday evening, 94% of all available vaccines had been administered, rising to 99% on Tuesday and all were given out by Wednesday, with more supply arriving in on Wednesday night.

"It's working that close to the edge," he said, "rest assured it's moving as fast as we can".