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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Micky 32

You wouldn’t think we were rolling out vaccines with all these plans they are putting in place :

“ The Cabinet is considering introducing fines as high as €5,000 for any incoming passenger who does not adhere to mandatory hotel quarantine rules.

Primary legislation being evaluated at an incorporeal Cabinet meeting tonight sets out a financial penalty of €4,000, as well as a possible month in prison, for first-time offenders.

A second offence would see fines of up to €4,500 or three months in prison, or both. A third offence would see fines of up to €5,000 or six months in prison, or both.

Ministers are expected to sign-off on the plan this evening.“

When you see talk about second, third offences seems like it’s going to be permanent.

Water John

No, it's just to be prohibitive and send a message, esp to those getting their teeth done.

astrofool

Micky 32 wrote: »

You wouldn’t think we were rolling out vaccines with all these plans they are putting in place :

“ The Cabinet is considering introducing fines as high as €5,000 for any incoming passenger who does not adhere to mandatory hotel quarantine rules.

Primary legislation being evaluated at an incorporeal Cabinet meeting tonight sets out a financial penalty of €4,000, as well as a possible month in prison, for first-time offenders.

A second offence would see fines of up to €4,500 or three months in prison, or both. A third offence would see fines of up to €5,000 or six months in prison, or both.

Ministers are expected to sign-off on the plan this evening.“

When you see talk about second, third offences seems like it’s going to be permanent.

To be fair, a lot of this should probably have been implemented sooner, and most governments are now trying to suppress as fully as possible to give vaccines the best chance to allow economies and society to open up, so they are going extra cautious during the rollout (in hindsight we may say it was too cautious, let's hope that's the case). I don't fully agree, but I understand it.

NH2013

Gael23 wrote: »

Was talking to an 81 year old lady a while ago who has been told not to expect a vaccine until around Easter

Possibly a mix up with being fully vaccinated.

Should have her first shot within 3 weeks, which would mean 4 weeks later, she'd get her second shot, plus a week for that to take hold so up to 8 weeks from now to be fully protected, or around Easter time.

embraer170

A US vaccine export ban has been mentioned a few times in this thread. Is there any source for that because Google hasn’t been very helpful.

rovers_runner

Does anyone have an up to date graph with the expected vaccine deliveries per announcements to date?
That would be including J&J (based on approval dates) and the Moderna increases.

Would be good to be able to measure weekly/monthly progress against what's projected to arrive into the country.

funnydoggy

Micky 32 wrote: »

You wouldn’t think we were rolling out vaccines with all these plans they are putting in place :

“ The Cabinet is considering introducing fines as high as €5,000 for any incoming passenger who does not adhere to mandatory hotel quarantine rules.

Primary legislation being evaluated at an incorporeal Cabinet meeting tonight sets out a financial penalty of €4,000, as well as a possible month in prison, for first-time offenders.

A second offence would see fines of up to €4,500 or three months in prison, or both. A third offence would see fines of up to €5,000 or six months in prison, or both.

Ministers are expected to sign-off on the plan this evening.“

When you see talk about second, third offences seems like it’s going to be permanent.

The powers that govern the vaccine rollout thankfully have little to do with fines etc. thankfully. They're still working away quietly trying to jab the country :pac:

is_that_so

Cork2021 wrote: »

This is interesting, pharmacies gearing up for vaccination

And yet a few weeks ago they were complaining they knew nothing. They are part of the annual flu' jab programme so were always going to be included. IMO it reinforces the perception that relevant parties are being told when they need to be told. There has been a whole lot of moaning about the programme since January. Like others I think it's going well and I do like that HSE is not sharing the minutiae of the plan with anyone who thinks they need to know.

is_that_so

rovers_runner wrote: »

Does anyone have an up to date graph with the expected vaccine deliveries per announcements to date?
That would be including J&J (based on approval dates) and the Moderna increases.

Would be good to be able to measure weekly/monthly progress against what's projected to arrive into the country.

Follow the weekly HSE updates and Donnelly. Our approach seems to be to respond to the supplies we are getting by sticking them in arms rather than sticking projections in published spreadsheets that could be out of date in a few days. 1m+ doses a month is a number they have mentioned for May.

is_that_so

PhoenixParker wrote: »

The blurb is for frontline healthcare workers so seems more like group 2 or group 4 for the first users.

We're all over the place at the moment with groups. The only official groups at present are second shots for Groups 1&2 and the start of Group 3. They've definitely done Group 6, maybe all of them and some Group 4s as well.

Russman

is_that_so wrote: »

Follow the weekly HSE updates and Donnelly. Our approach seems to be to respond to the supplies we are getting by sticking them in arms rather than sticking projections in published spreadsheets that could be out of date in a few days. 1m+ doses a month is a number they have mentioned for May.

I agree with this. I'm far from a HSE apologist, but they do seem to be handling this rollout as smoothly as we could ever expect. We seem to be maintaining a small buffer supply and pretty much everything else we've received has gone into arms. Credit where its due.

Hopefully we can get to the 1m/1.2m per month asap.

[Deleted User]

I see vaccinations now has its own section on the datahub

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinations

I am presuming when they say cohort it refers to the groups

is_that_so

BlondeBomb wrote: »

Do we really think we’ll get 1 million vaccines per month in April/May/June?

Is it achievable?

Maybe not April but from May yes. It's based on the manufacturers deliveries. We are doing 80K this week, which is likely to ramp up to 100K and beyond very soon and that's without the MVCs operating. For all its other faults the HSE does know how to manage a vaccination programme.

Russman

As an aside, and apologies if its been asked before, does anyone know if group 10 will include supermarket workers ?

Stheno

Deleted User wrote: »

I see vaccinations now has its own section on the datahub

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinations

I am presuming when they say cohort it refers to the groups

Did I read that right?

Of the nursing homes (Cohort 1) almost two months in, only 1/3rd have had their second dose?

ceegee

Stheno wrote: »

Did I read that right?

Of the nursing homes (Cohort 1) almost two months in, only 1/3rd have had their second dose?

They were at 23000 first doses on Jan 17th so that seems about right, should be a large chunk due this week. They were at 71000 by the 27thof Jan so should have most done by the end of the month

Cork2021

Russman wrote: »

As an aside, and apologies if its been asked before, does anyone know if group 10 will include supermarket workers ?

As an essential worker group 6/7 isnt it? I bleeding hope so anyway. We’re the ones dealing with hundreds of people every week as well.

is_that_so

Stheno wrote: »

Did I read that right?

Of the nursing homes (Cohort 1) almost two months in, only 1/3rd have had their second dose?

Jan 25th was the official end but they couldn't do some care homes on account of outbreaks. Jan 25th was four weeks ago so they'd be now be getting that second shot and places where there were outbreaks would have to wait four weeks anyway.

Cork2021

Like when you think about it, supermarket I work in has about 17,000 transactions a week, that’s not exactly 17,000 coming through the doors but not far off it.

is_that_so

Cork2021 wrote: »

As an essential worker group 6/7 isnt it? I bleeding hope so anyway. We’re the ones dealing with hundreds of people every week as well.

No, 6 is a group dealing with vaccinations, 7 is those at risk because of ongoing conditions so it's more likely to be Group 10 or higher.

[Deleted User]

Cork2021 wrote: »

As an essential worker group 6/7 isnt it? I bleeding hope so anyway. We’re the ones dealing with hundreds of people every week as well.

Group 6 is classed as key workers essential to the rollout of the vaccine programme.

Then it is:
7 People aged 18-64 with certain medical conditions
8 Residents of long-term care facilities aged 18-64
9 People aged 18-64 living or working in crowded settings
10 Key workers in essential jobs who cannot avoid a high risk of exposure

Sconsey

Cork2021 wrote: »

As an essential worker group 6/7 isnt it? I bleeding hope so anyway. We’re the ones dealing with hundreds of people every week as well.

Supermarket workers would broadly land in group 10.

1 People aged 65 years and older who are residents of long-term care facilities (likely to include all staff and residents on site)
2 Frontline healthcare workers
3 People aged 70 and older
4 Other healthcare workers not in direct patient contact
5 People aged 65-69
6 Key workers (Vaccination Programme)
7 People aged 18-64 with certain medical conditions
8 Residents of long-term care facilities aged 18-64
9 People aged 18-64 living or working in crowded settings
10 Key workers in essential jobs who cannot avoid a high risk of exposure

Mark1916

https://twitter.com/ema_news/status/1362337812679376896?s=21

Sweet.Science

Deleted User wrote: »

Group 6 is classed as key workers essential to the rollout of the vaccine programme.

Then it is:
7 People aged 18-64 with certain medical conditions
8 Residents of long-term care facilities aged 18-64
9 People aged 18-64 living or working in crowded settings
10 Key workers in essential jobs who cannot avoid a high risk of exposure

Assume when supply isnt an issue a lot of these groups will be lumped in together to book their own appts

Happydays2020

Sconsey wrote: »

Supermarket workers would broadly land in group 10.

1 People aged 65 years and older who are residents of long-term care facilities (likely to include all staff and residents on site)
2 Frontline healthcare workers
3 People aged 70 and older
4 Other healthcare workers not in direct patient contact
5 People aged 65-69
6 Key workers (Vaccination Programme)
7 People aged 18-64 with certain medical conditions
8 Residents of long-term care facilities aged 18-64
9 People aged 18-64 living or working in crowded settings
10 Key workers in essential jobs who cannot avoid a high risk of exposure

I presume they will probably combine some of these groups when vaccine supply increases. Number 9 I presume is direct provision and meat factories.

leahyl

Did anybody hear/read this, this morning - from RTE website:

"As the roll-out of GP vaccinations of the over 85s gathers pace, the protection given by even one dose of vaccine may already be impacting on the official data.

102,000 vaccine doses were given to residents and staff in nursing homes by Sunday last.

The disease incidence among the over-85s fell 57% last week alone - by far the highest reduction for any age group.

166,000 vaccine doses were also given to healthcare workers and by the end of last week they were accounting for 5% of weekly cases, down from 13% three weeks earlier."

Good news

Gael23

NH2013 wrote: »

Possibly a mix up with being fully vaccinated.

Should have her first shot within 3 weeks, which would mean 4 weeks later, she'd get her second shot, plus a week for that to take hold so up to 8 weeks from now to be fully protected, or around Easter time.

2 weeks or 4 between doses?

titan18

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Assume when supply isnt an issue a lot of these groups will be lumped in together to book their own appts

I'd imagine number 7 is a large enough group (and probably includes people from group 8 in it anyway) that you wouldn't be combining that with others.

Gael23

Concerning news from Pfizer regarding the SA variant

embraer170

Gael23 wrote: »

Concerning news from Pfizer regarding the SA variant

Yes, certainly won't help with lifting restrictions (especially travel).