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Why is it so complicated to daily find out the ages of those who passed?

ShineOn7

And if they had underlying symptoms etc

The HSPC site is like the old Revenue website where they purposely made it complicated for the average Joe to figure out

What ages were those who passed away today for example?

It's "somewhere" in here? https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_20201019%20_Website.pdf

The ages should be given daily in the main Gov.ie daily press releases. We shouldn't have to jump into complicated PDFs like this where you've no idea where the info is unless you know the HSPC website inside out

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Geuze

The CSO have published 2020 Q3 Vital Stats.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vs/vitalstatisticsthirdquarter2020/

Deaths

There were 7,111 deaths registered in quarter 3 2020, of these 3,627 were male and 3,484 were female. The quarter 3 2020 total is almost 3.4% less than the corresponding quarter of 2019 when 7,358 deaths were registered. See table 12.

COVID-19

There were 191 deaths due to COVID-19 recorded in quarter 3 2020, 85 of which were male and 106 which were female. Of these, 191 (76.4%) were aged 75 and over.

There were 185 of these COVID-19 deaths where the virus was identified while there were 6 deaths where the virus was not identified. See tables 20, 21 and WHO ICD-10 classification of COVID-19 link

The mean average age of death was 81.1 years while the median age was 84.0 years for all deaths due to COVID-19 in quarter 3 2020.

Geuze

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries26/

COVID-19 Deaths and Cases, Series 26

Key Findings:

There were 51 COVID-19 related deaths in the week ending 05 March 2021
In the week ending 05 March 2021, 86% of deaths were among people aged 65 years and over
The number of cases for the week ending 05 March was 2,843, a decrease of 1,245 cases from the previous week
In the week ending 05 March, Dublin accounted for 1,272 (45%) of all new cases
There were 114 health care workers diagnosed with the virus in the week ending 05 March, this is the lowest weekly figure since the week ending 28 August
Hospitalisations have been decreasing since the week ending 15 January and were 173 in the week ending 05 March from a peak of 1,376
Intensive care unit (ICU) admissions have been decreasing since the week ending 08 January and there were less than five in the week ending 05 March down from a peak of 130
The average number of contacts per positive case per week was three in the week ending 05 March, down from six contacts in the week ending 25 December 2020
Dublin has the highest average contacts per positive case of almost four per positive case in the week ending 05 March
The percentage of cases in over 65s has been decreasing in the last five weeks from 18% to 8%
The percentage of asymptomatic cases has been increasing in the last five weeks from 17% to 26%

drunkmonkey

Does anyone know if we are counting residual positives as Covid deaths on the numbers NPHET provide?

By that I mean someone who tested positive for Covid but may have died of a heart attack 3 weeks later for example.
We know people can't fly into the country long after they tested positive on a pcr test, https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/irish-stranded-abroad-despite-full-recovery-from-covid-19-1.4486675

If you also look at Irelands recovered it's only 10% of cases, so it would be correct to assume the remaining 90% are classed as residual Covid.

drunkmonkey

ShineOn7 wrote: »

RIP to the infant under the age of 1 in today's figures

It was a still born from what I can gather and 4 of them. These could be denotifications yet as it doesn't seem to be a thing.

"These reports should be interpreted with caution as the coroners have not yet concluded their findings"
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/four-stillbirths-among-women-with-covid-19-prompt-alert-to-maternity-staff-on-precautionary-basis-1.4501500?mode=amp

Shame on NPHET freaking out pregnant women today with nothing more than an unfounded theory at this stage.

ShineOn7

RIP to the infant under the age of 1 in today's figures

Surely Covid wasn't the only thing that led to their passing

Of the 39 deaths reported today

10 occurred in March
12 occurred in February
13 occurred in January
3 occurred earlier
1 under investigation
Median age: 81
Age range: 0-97

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

CSO update no. 25

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries25/

Deaths are in table 2 and 2A.

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

CSO update no. 25

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries25/

Deaths

For the week ending 19 February, 146 deaths were recorded among confirmed COVID-19 cases.

Throughout the pandemic, most deaths have occurred in the older age groups. In the week ending 19 February 2021, 88% of deaths were in people aged 65 years and over.

There were 54 deaths in Dublin in the week ending 19 February. Cork (18) and Kildare (12) were the only other counties to record more than 10 deaths in the week.

Geuze

CSO update no. 25

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries25/

Key Findings:

There were 146 COVID-19 related deaths in the week ending 19 February
In the week ending 19 February 2021, 88% of deaths were among people aged 65 years and over
The number of cases for the week ending 19 February was 4,360, a decrease of 1,109 cases from the previous week
In the week ending 19 February, Dublin accounted for 1,642 cases or 38% of all new cases
While the number of new cases has fallen nationally by 20%, this varies across counties froma 56% decrease in cases in Wexford to a 28% increase in Clare
There were 229 health care workers diagnosed with the virus in the week ending 19 February, this is the lowest weekly figure since the week ending 30 October
Hospitalisations have been decreasing since the week ending 15 January and were 301 in the week ending 19 February from a peak of 1,367
ICU admissions have been decreasing since the week ending 08 January when there were 127 admissions to seven in the week ending 19 February
The average number of contacts per positive case per week was three in the week ending 19 February, down from six contacts in the week ending 25 December
In the last four weeks, there have been 1,689 cases linked to an outbreak in nursing homes, 382 linked to residential institutions and 414 linked to hospital or a community hospital/long-stay unit
There were 637 cases (14%) linked to an outbreak in the workplace in the last four weeks

spookwoman

brickster69 wrote: »

How many of those are the people who are most at risk ie. 70+ ?

I don't know and don't care, I just know that there are a load of people dead who would be still alive if they has not caught not caught covid.

brickster69

spookwoman wrote: »

So far confirmed deaths for the months

Jan - Confirmed from 11/01/2021 to 24/02/2021 = 1,215. If 01/01/2021 to 10/01/2021 included it's 1,332. HSE operations report ICU = 99.
Feb = 01/02/2021 to 24/02/2021 652. HSE operations report ICU = 93

How many of those are the people who are most at risk ie. 70+ ?

NIMAN

On the news, they emphasised twice that a 16yr old died in today's stats.

But that in itself means absolutely nothing, without more data. This obviously wasn't a strapping 16yr old gaa player who died.

They must have had underlying conditions.

They may even have died of cancer but happened to have covid.

spookwoman

So far confirmed deaths for the months

Jan - Confirmed from 11/01/2021 to 24/02/2021 = 1,215. If 01/01/2021 to 10/01/2021 included it's 1,332. HSE operations report ICU = 99.
Feb = 01/02/2021 to 24/02/2021 652. HSE operations report ICU = 93

ShineOn7

RIP to the 16 year old that passed in today's numbers

So far there's no information on if they were healthy or had underlying symthoms

Of the 56 deaths reported today

31 occured in February
13 occured in January
3 in December or earlier
9 under investigation
Median age: 82
Age range: 16 - 97

ShineOn7

Of the 28 deaths reported today

27 occurred in February
1 occurred in January
Median age: 79
Age range: 32-97

fits

NIMAN wrote: »

Why are deaths in November and December getting reported in Feb?

Because family members reported the deaths to the registry office in february rather than immediately in November

spookwoman

For December deaths to date is about 206
Jan from the 11th day before they started really putting the so many deaths in this month and so many in that is a terrible 1,170 to date.
Feb is 383

The J Stands for Jay

TimeToShine wrote: »

, it takes about 30 seconds in Excel for God's sake. A university student could do it for them.

I don't think we need to start hiring people to press F11.

Richard Hillman

They know the age ranges. They know the underlying illnesses. They have all the statistics. They just don't want us to know.

TimeToShine

Would it be so difficult for them to put up a bar chart or distribution chart of the deaths by age whenever they report, it takes about 30 seconds in Excel for God's sake. A university student could do it for them.

The fact that this thread exists is a testament to how useless releasing "median" and "range" data alone is.

NIMAN

Why are deaths in November and December getting reported in Feb?

ShineOn7

Of the 66 deaths reported today

41 occurred in February
8 occurred in January
7 occurred in December
9 occurred in November or earlier
Median age: 84
Age range: 39-98

bb1234567

polesheep wrote: »

That wasn't my intention. I just feel it's important to know as much as possible.

I was not referring to you specifically. It is a commonly held perception throughout much of society and is a bit superficial.

polesheep

bb1234567 wrote: »

It also depends on the severity of the type of condition. Some potentially dangerous underlying conditions can be managed well enough to attain long life expectancy but a more advanced form of the illness can have their life dramatically shortened even with good healthcare.

So really people dismissing all COVID deaths as 'would have died anyway' with or without covid because they had an underlying condition is a lot of bull****. A case by case analysis is absolutely necessary to say with much certainty but I guess we can get a better idea by judging life expectancy based on the most common underlying conditions.

An interesting report analysing the underlying conditions of all COVID deaths in Ireland up until january 22nd was recently reported.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-majority-of-fatalities-had-underlying-conditions-1.4471443

So, 17%(460) of the 2706 victims by January 22nd had no underlying condition.
45%(1212) had one underlying condition.
25% (678) had two underlying conditions/
13% (355) had 3 or more.

Most common underlying conditions:

967/2706 deaths had chronic heart disease.
This has low life expectancy after diagnosis. (Well, if somebody could just confirm, the IT article specifically mentions 'chronic heart disease' but when I google that, everything that comes up is about heart failure. So I assume they are the same thing?)

771/2706 had dementia.
No major impact on life expectancy. Average age of diagnosis is 80 and life expectancy after diagnosis is 8-12 years.

520/2706 had hypetension.
Can cut years. Very hard to get an average because of how massively the height of people's blood pressure varies by and there's large variation on effect on health depending on the number . But life threateningly high blood pressure is pretty uncommon, usually just cuts a few years off if it's uncontrolled and a bit on the high side.

That wasn't my intention. I just feel it's important to know as much as possible.

bb1234567

polesheep wrote: »

And a person with underlying conditions might not even make it out of the neonatal unit. It all depends on the type of condition. I for one think it's important to know how Covid affects those with underlying conditions.

It also depends on the severity of the type of condition. Some potentially dangerous underlying conditions can be managed well enough to attain long life expectancy but a more advanced form of the illness can have their life dramatically shortened even with good healthcare.

So really people dismissing all COVID deaths as 'would have died anyway' with or without covid because they had an underlying condition is a lot of bull****. A case by case analysis is absolutely necessary to say with much certainty but I guess we can get a better idea by judging life expectancy based on the most common underlying conditions.

An interesting report analysing the underlying conditions of all COVID deaths in Ireland up until january 22nd was recently reported.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-majority-of-fatalities-had-underlying-conditions-1.4471443

So, 17%(460) of the 2706 victims by January 22nd had no underlying condition.
45%(1212) had one underlying condition.
25% (678) had two underlying conditions/
13% (355) had 3 or more.

6 most common underlying conditions:

967/2706 deaths had chronic heart disease.
This has low life expectancy after diagnosis. (Well, if somebody could just confirm, the IT article specifically mentions 'chronic heart disease' but when I google that, everything that comes up is about heart failure. So I assume they are the same thing?)

About 50%[of those with heart failure] have an average life expectancy of less than five years. For those with advanced forms of heart failure, nearly 90% die within one year.

771/2706 had dementia.
No major impact on life expectancy. Average age of diagnosis is 80 and life expectancy after diagnosis is 8-12 years.

520/2706 had hypetension.
Can cut years. Very hard to get an average because of how massively the height of people's blood pressure varies by and there's large variation on effect on health depending on the number . But life threateningly high blood pressure is pretty uncommon, usually just cuts a few years off if it's uncontrolled and a bit on the high side.

450/2706 had Chronic respiratory disease, again massive variation in lifespan of sufferers.

The five-year life expectancy for people with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) ranges from 40%-70%.

389/2706 had diabetes.
Doesn't specify if T1 or T2. But in a first world country life expectancy is generally pretty normal if looked after properly, which considering the age of the victims we can assume it was.

450/2706 had kidney disease. Again, massive variation depending on stage of illness. I guess considering most victims were in their 70's and 80's they would have died of kidney disease within the next couple of years, as they would hve been too old to be eligible for kidney transplant.

Without a transplant, if you are between 70 and 75 years, life expectancy is 4 years for both men and women

And just to complicate things further, it must be remembered that just over 1/3 of all victims had at least two of the above conditions simultaneously. Although you could probably guess ,some are common couplings, rather than a random unlucky mix of failing kidneys and COPD :P Probably huge overlap between heart disease and hypertension numbers. And a large number of the people with 3+ conditions probably suffer metabolic syndrome.

Either way, it's likely that the people with heart disease, and kidney disease, did not lose a lot of life.
But among the victims with no condition and suffering from the other conditions(not HD,or KD), it's likely quite a lot of years of life were lost, among those suffering from just one of those alone at least.

But as you can see from this analysis how ridiculous it is to say all COVID victims were very ill or would have died anyway given the tremendous variation in severity of types of illnesses.

polesheep

average_runner wrote: »

A person with under lying issues can live well into their 80's. Do doesn't matter

And a person with underlying conditions might not even make it out of the neonatal unit. It all depends on the type of condition. I for one think it's important to know how Covid affects those with underlying conditions.

spookwoman

Epi reporting gone to sh*te lately cso wont be out till next latest cso wont be out till next week.

Their reporting now is 2 week so amount between 2 dates and done daily.

Todays report 18/01/2021 to 31/01/2021 has 7 deaths in the 25-64 age group and yesterdays 17/01/2021 to 30/01/2021 has 10 deaths. The ages groups are 25-64 65-74 85-84 85+.

average_runner

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Of the 101 deaths reported today
83 occurred in January

13 occurred in February

Median age: 85

Age range: 19-103

Spookwoman:

Any data on if the younger people who recently passed had underlying symthoms?

A person with under lying issues can live well into their 80's. Do doesn't matter

ShineOn7

Via a usually reliable poster on the Reddit Ireland daily thread

That's the 3rd person in the 0-24 range to die out of ~47,000 cases in that group.

So a rate of 1 death per 15,000-16,000 cases and that's only confirmed cases so the real ratio is probably even better than that.

I wouldn't be too concerned, it's a massive outlier.

ShineOn7

Of the 101 deaths reported today

83 occurred in January
13 occurred in February
Median age: 85
Age range: 19-103

Spookwoman:

Any data on if the younger people who recently passed had underlying symthoms?

ShineOn7

Of the 48 deaths reported today

45 occurred in January
Median age:
Age range: 30-99

30 is too young

No info - as fcuking always - in the Presser about if they had underlying symptoms or not