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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

fortwilliam

Aaaaaaaah ballax!

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0715/1153499-politics-cabinet/

I get it, I really do, but why the focus on pubs?
I got a haircut today in the Grafton Barber where a nice barber cut my hair with no social distancing (Completely within guidance)
I just don't get the focus on the boozer...

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doublejobbing 2

PTH2009 wrote: »

Out of interest what countries still have pubs opened ?

Australia and New Zealand.

Mind you they shut their borders rather than the approach we took- leaving them open to infested areas then lying and saying it only caused 2 percent of cases. It was at that stage I stopped believing anything they said .

speckle

Right now I would be in my local rural pub having my Christmass eve cuppa of spirit tea. Shame that it is not even open outdoors these last months except for two weeks. You know up there in the Dail...its not always about alcohlic drink but community and looking out for each other when times are bad down here in rural Ireland.

PTH2009

Never went out much on Stephens Day but for many its a massive tradition and it will be tough enough for them but suppose Paddys Day was the same and we all know what happened there

So hard to see us being 'left have fun' and the pubs been open by/for Paddys Day 2021. We were very bad boys and girls when we were allowed have our pints these last few weeks and our leaders (mostly Dr Tony) will remember that in our annual review

Hope everyone stays safe and enjoys this unique christmas

cityboyjim

KISS .15 per Bar .Cases in the area close until its clear. .Regionalise it for FCUK sake.Think of the older people for once .Keep it simple stupid is what Kiss means by the way .Happy Christmas to the keyboard warriers .God knows what ye will do after this is over .

Irish Steve

Drifter50 wrote: »

Ah here, I don`t think you are being altogether fair here. Anyhow as you are a moderator I assume you have some control on the threads so if you think it reasonable to close a thread down so be it but that tastes of controlling the media and fair discussion at the very least. This is a thread to discuss the state of pubs reopening and the issues relevant to that.

It's one of the shortcomings of the Boards software, a moderator tag shows in every forum, I'm not a moderator of this section, only aviation, so I have no more influence over what happens here than any other user, and I'm not speaking as a moderator, just a Boards user who has been watching this thread for some time, resisting the temptation to comment on many occasions, and coming to the conclusion that some of the posters here have a serious problem with either authority, or alcohol, or both.

Also its not about anyones excessive dependance or otherwise on alcohol, a pub is not necessarily a place to go to drink to excess although I accept some people do that. For most people and I say most, its a place to go to meet friends and mates, to have a couple of drinks, watch the footie, escape the mayhem at home or at work and relax chill for an hour or 2

I wish it was that simple, there's a pub not far from here that I visit when I can, with a group of friends who have similar interests, and I miss those trips out, as the evenings we spend there are good evenings. Not bothered about things like the Footie, too often, that's a very noisy background distraction that means we end up having to shout at each other rather than chat at normal volume levels, but yes, there are good valid reasons for having a place like that, IF times were normal, and that is the sad factor, things are very much not normal, and while we don't like having to admit it, there are some venues where Covid can spread very easily, and a high percentage of pubs come very close to the top of that list, and the lack of personal responsibility over things like masks and hand washing only serve to make the problem worse.

Anyhow, they are now closed more is the pity and I for 1 look forward to the day all pubs get to reopen properly. I don`t get the government trend that they want the "Irish pub model" to serve food, have customers who stop by to have a couple of bottles of beer. This is more the trend in Europe and we are Irish and will stay Irish. I don`t want to sit in a pub and have food all the time. I simply want to have a drink in a pub, thats all

No argument as such there, mandatory food is a bad idea, it's being used at the moment as a (sub optimal) way to try to limit social contact, and part of that reasoning is the simple fact that food tends to mitigate the onset of poor behaviour when drink is in the mix.

There's a balance somewhere in the middle between the "gastro" pubs and the "wet" pubs that serve nothing other than drink, and over time, I'd like to hope that the pendulum will move to encourage the non food places to at least serve more than just packets of crisps and if you're lucky, salted peanuts.

As for when they will re open, that's going to depend on how good a job the HSE do on getting the vaccine out to the people that need it, and I'm not altogether happy about their track record in these areas, and the other side of the coin will be how virulent the new strains are in comparison to the existing strains, there is a lot of concern verging on panic in a number of places both here and abroad that are supposedly in the know, and that's not encouraging. My own instinct is that we will be lucky to see much open before Easter, maybe later, depending on how bad the spike from Christmas and the new strain is.

In the meantime, here's hoping that as many people as possible get to have as good a Christmas as possible, given the circumstances that are causing such significant upset.

beggars_bush

PommieBast wrote: »

The way the Irish government strang publicans and pubgoers along (elaborated enough in this thread already) just made people think it was dishonest politicians as usual, so such paranoia is understandable.

They couldn't reopen normal pubs because the level of adherance to regulations is not great in many, many gastro pubs
Or by customers in those pubs

Jackman25

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I dont care if you believe me or not. I am going to enjoy my Christmas and not be living in fear of Covid

I believe ya. Had a few myself this evening in the local with a few of the lads. Same crack for the racing on saturday.

PommieBast

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

But I honestly don't think there's a government trend to change the pub model. That seems to be a conspiracy paranoia brought on in some by the madness of the last year.

The way the Irish government strang publicans and pubgoers along (elaborated enough in this thread already) just made people think it was dishonest politicians as usual, so such paranoia is understandable.

Timistry

Time is relative Heidi. 6am if your on nightshift is like 8pm for a dayshift worker. Often drank at that hour but its definitely a novelty!

Was working all week, it was tough today not being able to go to the pub for a few with friends I have not seen all year. Felt almost unnatural being home so early, I'm normally home at 12 or so on xmas eve. I'm sure we will have a few sessions for the next few days.

This anti alcohol rhetoric is depressing in the extreme.

HeidiHeidi

ShooterSF wrote: »

Well I'm officially on my first Christmas period off in over 2 decades, usually I only get the one day! Unfortunately it took a global pandemic to bring it on and I might not have a job in the new year but one must look on the bright side. All my family and friends are healthy. I have a stockpile of food and drink for tomorrow. I can have a hangover on Stephens day and suffer in peace for once Lots of PC, oculus and board, games to dive into over the next couple of weeks. A stack of books I keep meaning to read, including Meehan's bartender manual which is a hefty hardback book. A new season of the expanse to watch. A guitar that I seriously need to start trying to learn again. I bought a nice bottle of antica sweet vermouth and luxardo maraschino cherries to make some delicious manhattans at 6am tomorrow and they both arrived on time . Here's to a better year in 21 and hope you all, regardless of differing views on this stupid virus, have the best couple of weeks you can and any of you stuck in retail or other work get time somewhere in between the mayhem that is this season to make yourself and those around you merry.

Well, now, that's the spirit! Both literally and metaphorically.

But.... Manhattans at 6am???

I'm a lifelong shift-worker, and long-distance sailor, so well used to meals at very odd times - but I'm not sure even I could face a cocktail at 6am! Although the way things are going......

Drifter50 wrote: »

Also its not about anyones excessive dependance or otherwise on alcohol, a pub is not necessarily a place to go to drink to excess although I accept some people do that. For most people and I say most, its a place to go to meet friends and mates, to have a couple of drinks, watch the footie, escape the mayhem at home or at work and relax chill for an hour or 2

Anyhow, they are now closed more is the pity and I for 1 look forward to the day all pubs get to reopen properly. I don`t get the government trend that they want the "Irish pub model" to serve food, have customers who stop by to have a couple of bottles of beer. This is more the trend in Europe and we are Irish and will stay Irish. I don`t want to sit in a pub and have food all the time. I simply want to have a drink in a pub, thats all

Agreed.

Mostly.

But I honestly don't think there's a government trend to change the pub model. That seems to be a conspiracy paranoia brought on in some by the madness of the last year. Once the virus is under control we'll be back to business as usual, and there will be the gastropubs and the usual pubs - maybe not under the same ownership, but there's a huge grá for them so I can't see them disappearing totally.

Drifter50

Irish Steve wrote: »

Your attitude, and the issues of wet pubs that are open and operating illegally and being closed by Gardai are two of the reasons I'd be happy to see this thread closed for at least the next 2 months. it's not serving any sort of useful purpose any more other than to give trolls and the like a platform to contine to demonstate their ignorance, or excessive dependence on alcohol.

Sick to the back teeth of people that are only interested in sticking 2 fingers in the air to the vast majority of people that are trying to avoid Covid, to protect others that they are close to for whatever reason.

Local pub in the town here was responsible for a massive cluster back when the GAA team and supporters lost the run of themselves when a local team won a cup, it's taken nearly 2 months to get the number of new cases back below the national average, and they've now been closed again this week for a number of breaches of the rules. Never should have been open again in the first place, but clearly, the owner/landlord thinks he's above the law.

Ah here, I don`t think you are being altogether fair here. Anyhow as you are a moderator I assume you have some control on the threads so if you think it reasonable to close a thread down so be it but that tastes of controlling the media and fair discussion at the very least. This is a thread to discuss the state of pubs reopening and the issues relevant to that.

Also its not about anyones excessive dependance or otherwise on alcohol, a pub is not necessarily a place to go to drink to excess although I accept some people do that. For most people and I say most, its a place to go to meet friends and mates, to have a couple of drinks, watch the footie, escape the mayhem at home or at work and relax chill for an hour or 2

Anyhow, they are now closed more is the pity and I for 1 look forward to the day all pubs get to reopen properly. I don`t get the government trend that they want the "Irish pub model" to serve food, have customers who stop by to have a couple of bottles of beer. This is more the trend in Europe and we are Irish and will stay Irish. I don`t want to sit in a pub and have food all the time. I simply want to have a drink in a pub, thats all

[Deleted User]

never_mind wrote: »

Yeah I get that, but level 5 didn’t work last time and I’m not sure how it didn’t.

Its no mystery how level 5 didn't work.

Its because it was "level 5" in name only, in practice, it was probably more like level 1.5.

Non compliance or incorrectly worn masks was rampant, non-essential retail all open, public transport packed, shops packed, social distancing not adhered too. House parties every weekend (at least where I live) and those who were supposed to work from home but going into offices, (though not always their choice....)

Level 5 was a joke.

PTH2009

God wish I was having a few Xmas eve pints now. Only a handful of places open for the few hours today. Would be a waste of money

Cans and YouTube it is so

never_mind

ShooterSF wrote: »

Well I'm officially on my first Christmas period off in over 2 decades, usually I only get the one day! Unfortunately it took a global pandemic to bring it on and I might not have a job in the new year but one must look on the bright side. All my family and friends are healthy. I have a stockpile of food and drink for tomorrow. I can have a hangover on Stephens day and suffer in peace for once Lots of PC, oculus and board, games to dive into over the next couple of weeks. A stack of books I keep meaning to read, including Meehan's bartender manual which is a hefty hardback book. A new season of the expanse to watch. A guitar that I seriously need to start trying to learn again. I bought a nice bottle of antica sweet vermouth and luxardo maraschino cherries to make some delicious manhattans at 6am tomorrow and they both arrived on time . Here's to a better year in 21 and hope you all, regardless of differing views on this stupid virus, have the best couple of weeks you can and any of you stuck in retail or other work get time somewhere in between the mayhem that is this season to make yourself and those around you merry.

This post made me smile! Enjoy it xx

ShooterSF

Well I'm officially on my first Christmas period off in over 2 decades, usually I only get the one day! Unfortunately it took a global pandemic to bring it on and I might not have a job in the new year but one must look on the bright side. All my family and friends are healthy. I have a stockpile of food and drink for tomorrow. I can have a hangover on Stephens day and suffer in peace for once

Lots of PC, oculus and board, games to dive into over the next couple of weeks. A stack of books I keep meaning to read, including Meehan's bartender manual which is a hefty hardback book. A new season of the expanse to watch. A guitar that I seriously need to start trying to learn again. I bought a nice bottle of antica sweet vermouth and luxardo maraschino cherries to make some delicious manhattans at 6am tomorrow and they both arrived on time

. Here's to a better year in 21 and hope you all, regardless of differing views on this stupid virus, have the best couple of weeks you can and any of you stuck in retail or other work get time somewhere in between the mayhem that is this season to make yourself and those around you merry.

never_mind

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

And if the numbers are still too high at that stage?

Then they're just accused of breaking even more promises.

They don't have a crystal ball.

Yeah I get that, but level 5 didn’t work last time and I’m not sure how it didn’t. This might get us back down to 30” or so but what do we do then? Giving people a time scale is so much better to frame psychologically. If they did 2 week hard lock (5.5!) then 4 weeks of Level 5 then try and commit to at least 3 by the end of that would be much easier for us all to commit to. People who are breaking lockdown are fatigued from it all and without any form of hope is making it harder.

Either way, we all know the vaccine programme will be full of delays and they’ll end up buying the wrong fridges or end up smashing thousands of doses accidentally. Not sure if I can do lockdown after lockdown without a bit of a breather til the end of this year

HeidiHeidi

never_mind wrote: »

Inaccurate.

The last lockdown when we were in level 5 had a deadline plus a target (50-100). This wasn’t achieved but we still opened. Govt should take its head out of its Arse, go for a hard lock down for two weeks and then commit to opening after it.

And if the numbers are still too high at that stage?

Then they're just accused of breaking even more promises.

They don't have a crystal ball.

ginoginelli

Irish Steve wrote: »

Your attitude, and the issues of wet pubs that are open and operating illegally and being closed by Gardai are two of the reasons I'd be happy to see this thread closed for at least the next 2 months. it's not serving any sort of useful purpose any more other than to give trolls and the like a platform to contine to demonstate their ignorance, or excessive dependence on alcohol.

Sick to the back teeth of people that are only interested in sticking 2 fingers in the air to the vast majority of people that are trying to avoid Covid, to protect others that they are close to for whatever reason.

Local pub in the town here was responsible for a massive cluster back when the GAA team and supporters lost the run of themselves when a local team won a cup, it's taken nearly 2 months to get the number of new cases back below the national average, and they've now been closed again this week for a number of breaches of the rules. Never should have been open again in the first place, but clearly, the owner/landlord thinks he's above the law.

Great post as usual steve.

It's actually quite sickening to see posters joking about shebeens and breaking guidelines while thousands are dying worldwide. Whether it's a lack of education, selfishness, or just trolling, I dont know, but the lack of empathy displayed on here seems almost inhumane at times.

never_mind

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

But they DON'T have any idea when they can let them open again...... the virus is galloping upwards, it depends on when we all collectively manegeto get it down again.

Admittedly it would be nice if we could have a number to aim for, but I think it depends on many more factors than just simple numbers.

Inaccurate.

The last lockdown when we were in level 5 had a deadline plus a target (50-100). This wasn’t achieved but we still opened. Govt should take its head out of its Arse, go for a hard lock down for two weeks and then commit to opening after it.

Bass Reeves

accensi0n wrote: »

Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Antigua & Deps
Argentina
Armenia
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Cape Verde
Central African Rep
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo
Congo {Democratic Rep}
Costa Rica
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
East Timor
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
France
Gabon
Gambia
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Italy
Ivory Coast
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
Korea North
Korea South
Kosovo
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macedonia
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar, {Burma}
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
Norway
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Qatar
Romania
Russian Federation
Rwanda
St Kitts & Nevis
St Lucia
Saint Vincent & the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome & Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Sudan
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad & Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Incorrect they are closed in the UK and Germany, as well as France. There is no pubs in Poland

PS last time I tried to have a point in the UAE they threatened to take my left hand off

HeidiHeidi

never_mind wrote: »

Ok, I love a pint in a pub, gastro or otherwise, but I agree with this move as sad as I am. What bothers me is there is NO indication about when they’ll be open again. Is this going to turn into lockdown 1 where we had zero idea about when it would end?

But they DON'T have any idea when they can let them open again...... the virus is galloping upwards, it depends on when we all collectively manegeto get it down again.

Admittedly it would be nice if we could have a number to aim for, but I think it depends on many more factors than just simple numbers.

HeidiHeidi

Irish Steve wrote: »

Your attitude, and the issues of wet pubs that are open and operating illegally and being closed by Gardai are two of the reasons I'd be happy to see this thread closed for at least the next 2 months. it's not serving any sort of useful purpose any more other than to give trolls and the like a platform to contine to demonstate their ignorance, or excessive dependence on alcohol.

Sick to the back teeth of people that are only interested in sticking 2 fingers in the air to the vast majority of people that are trying to avoid Covid, to protect others that they are close to for whatever reason.

Local pub in the town here was responsible for a massive cluster back when the GAA team and supporters lost the run of themselves when a local team won a cup, it's taken nearly 2 months to get the number of new cases back below the national average, and they've now been closed again this week for a number of breaches of the rules. Never should have been open again in the first place, but clearly, the owner/landlord thinks he's above the law.

I agree with your post entirely - but I've a feeling the one above was a sarcastic one (at least I hope it was or I wouldn't have thanked it!!)

never_mind

Ok, I love a pint in a pub, gastro or otherwise, but I agree with this move as sad as I am. What bothers me is there is NO indication about when they’ll be open again. Is this going to turn into lockdown 1 where we had zero idea about when it would end?

Irish Steve

MadYaker wrote: »

Don't be coming in here with your logic and reason! We want the pubs open and fcuk everything else!

Your attitude, and the issues of wet pubs that are open and operating illegally and being closed by Gardai are two of the reasons I'd be happy to see this thread closed for at least the next 2 months. it's not serving any sort of useful purpose any more other than to give trolls and the like a platform to contine to demonstate their ignorance, or excessive dependence on alcohol.

Sick to the back teeth of people that are only interested in sticking 2 fingers in the air to the vast majority of people that are trying to avoid Covid, to protect others that they are close to for whatever reason.

Local pub in the town here was responsible for a massive cluster back when the GAA team and supporters lost the run of themselves when a local team won a cup, it's taken nearly 2 months to get the number of new cases back below the national average, and they've now been closed again this week for a number of breaches of the rules. Never should have been open again in the first place, but clearly, the owner/landlord thinks he's above the law.

MadYaker

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Why would I?

It's meaningless - we're not other countries, their habits, demographics, laws, patterns of covid spread etc etc are not the same as ours.

We're acting on the situation this country as it is at this moment.

Don't be coming in here with your logic and reason! We want the pubs open and fcuk everything else!

HeidiHeidi

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Why dont you post a more accurate list?

Why would I?

It's meaningless - we're not other countries, their habits, demographics, laws, patterns of covid spread etc etc are not the same as ours.

We're acting on the situation this country as it is at this moment.

zerosugarbuzz

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

And the ones in half of Europe that have been closed for most of December.

Did you just get a list of countries in the world and cut Ireland out of it? Need to try harder.

Why dont you post a more accurate list?

HeidiHeidi

No matter what potential source of spread you name, it's always some other person's/activity's fault.

[Deleted User]

Saw this earlier in the thread, in relation to those who travelled abroad returning with the virus.

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

When Sorcha came back from Provence to Foxrock, and spread it to her hairdresser, who then spread it to her sister, who brought it to the nursing home she worked in, the 25 patients in the nursing home were not treated as having been travel related. Only Sorcha was.

Its a pity there are those who cannot apply the same logic to pubs.

When Sorcha came back from Provence her night out in the pub to Foxrock, and spread it to her hairdresser, who then spread it to her sister, who brought it to the nursing home she worked in, the 25 patients in the nursing home were not treated as having been travel related pub related. Only Sorcha was.

Before you pounce, I would also apply the same to non-essential retail.

Gamb!t

accensi0n wrote: »

Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Antigua & Deps
Argentina
Armenia
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Cape Verde
Central African Rep
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo
Congo {Democratic Rep}
Costa Rica
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
East Timor
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
France
Gabon
Gambia
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Italy
Ivory Coast
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
Korea North
Korea South
Kosovo
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macedonia
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar, {Burma}
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
Norway
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Qatar
Romania
Russian Federation
Rwanda
St Kitts & Nevis
St Lucia
Saint Vincent & the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome & Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Sudan
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad & Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

You forgot Ireland, they are still open