jimmycrackcorm wrote: » Hi Jess Brennan, welcome to Boards.
Russman wrote: » Maybe we could have opened in the summer, maybe we should have opened, but here's the thing, we didn't. That doesn't mean its ok to open now. Our own figures were increasing during the summer but from a very low base. I agree it really kicked off at the end of August, whether that's just the nature of epidemics or due to the schools, I've no idea. I don't think anyone is suggesting alcohol is the primary factor in the spread. People congregating and mixing is the factor and pretty much the only factor. Contact tracing doesn't go back far enough to catch where most cases were seeded anyway. But sure look, maybe most of the public health experts and virologists around the world are wrong and its all a dastardly plan to hammer pubs and not get any tax revenue from the thousands of closed venues. Mind you I'd have thought governments would have come up with something simpler if they wanted to get at publicans.
MOH wrote: » Any thoughts as to why most European governments allowed all restaurants and pubs to open throughout the summer without having significantly higher infection rates than us - the only country to keep the pubs closed? Or why our own figures show no appreciable worsening of the pandemic during the first month after restaurants and food pubs opened in June? (versus a 50% increase in the three weeks after schools opened at the end of August). Anyone who keeps insisting that the alcohol is the primary factor in spreading covid despite absolutely zero evidence to this effect is clearly deluded and has it in for pubs.
weldoninhio wrote: » I’ve yet to see, even a video, of a pub jammed to the rafters since March of this year.
Russman wrote: » I'm sure some are safer than others, but to say anyone who suggests that a relatively poorly ventilated space, with people in close proximity, consuming alcohol, might not be safe in the midst of this pandemic, given what we know about the spread of it, is deluded and clearly has it in for pubs is surely a bit off the wall. Any thoughts as to why most European governments have closed bars and indoor dining ?
Gosh_idiots wrote: » I think you'd be fooling yourself thinking that most pubs will abide by the restrictions to the point they wouldn't cause an issue. Yes, some might.. But many won't. Every time the country starts to open up again the pubs are jammed to the rafters. Drunk people don't have the same mentality and same boundaries attached as when they're sober and who's going to enforce the guidelines in every pub in the country? You can expect door staff to be everywhere at once, can't rely on people to social distance themselves, can't expect the guards to be in every pub in the country and the bar staff definitely can't do it! While it could be said of any business its obvious alcohol is a major factor in the spread of covid.
If its not in pubs its house parties at home. It's so sad and devastating to many business owners up and down the country but leaving pubs and restaurants open.. Where people can mingle.. Is obviously gonna add to an upsurge in cases.
Gosh_idiots wrote: » I think you'd be fooling yourself thinking that most pubs will abide by the restrictions to the point they wouldn't cause an issue. Yes, some might.. But many won't. Every time the country starts to open up again the pubs are jammed to the rafters. Drunk people don't have the same mentality and same boundaries attached as when they're sober and who's going to enforce the guidelines in every pub in the country? You can expect door staff to be everywhere at once, can't rely on people to social distance themselves, can't expect the guards to be in every pub in the country and the bar staff definitely can't do it! While it could be said of any business its obvious alcohol is a major factor in the spread of covid. If its not in pubs its house parties at home. It's so sad and devastating to many business owners up and down the country but leaving pubs and restaurants open.. Where people can mingle.. Is obviously gonna add to an upsurge in cases.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Why should they be reported? They were still serving food. As i said in an earlier post the place was well set up and everyone was well behaved. If you left your table to go to the bathroom without a face mask the staff were quick to tell you to put it on
Dub81 wrote: » Any pub ive been in has abided by every single thing required.
GT89 wrote: » Won't be happening for much longer unfortunately. My only hope is that when the next lockdown is imposed more businesses including pubs and induviduals ignore it and open their doors and people gather in large groups sticking the two fingers up to anymore covid related social austerity. The fact of the matter is if everyone breaks the rules imposed the Gardai cannot do anything. They cannot shut every pub or bsuiness that breaks any restructions and they cannot arrest everyone. The more non compliance the better.
Dub81 wrote: » yes indeed, but lets not deflect from that fact that it can happen anywhere, not just pubs, so lets not demonise pubs.
Dub81 wrote: » Pubs are safe environments, anyone who says otherwise is deluded and clearly has it in for pubs, a bit like a certain Dr of misery.
SAMTALK wrote: » Absoutely, but we were discussing pubs here were we not ?
Dub81 wrote: » lets not scrape the barrel here, the same can be said about any industry not just pubs.
SAMTALK wrote: » But all it takes is for the minority not to do it right. This is what causes the problem for the rest.
Dub81 wrote: » lets not fool ourselves here,the vast majority of pubs will do as required, and have bent over backwards to ensure safety is paramount whilst in the pub. Any pub ive been in has abided by every single thing required.
SAMTALK wrote: » That's the pubs you were in, but you can't say all pubs will do what is required.
Dub81 wrote: » i wasnt asked to have food either but seen as i hadnt eaten and i was expecting them to put a menu in front of me i ordered food anyway, like yourelf the pub well set up,plenty of spaces and hand sanitizer there great aul session was had, the anti pub brigade are insufferable still droning on about the "dangers of the pubs" despite the actual facts saying the opposite :rolleyes: Pubs are safe environments, anyone who says otherwise is deluded and clearly has it in for pubs, a bit like a certain Dr of misery.
Deleted User wrote: » Was out in 2 pubs in Swords on Saturday night. Both pubs were well set up and everyone in them were well behaved. Plenty of spaces between tables, and loads of hand sanitizer. First pub we were in we had food. The 2nd pub we didnt need to get food. Nice to get out for a few pints with friends
ginoginelli wrote: » People like you and the pub that served you are the driving force behind this epidemic. Shame on you.
[Deleted User] wrote: » It wouldnt have bothered me if i had to have ordered food. I still got to enjoy a few nice pints for 4 hours
Deleted User wrote: » You know whats wrong with this country. Theres too many people like you that cant keep there nose out of things. As i said before. The place was well run and no one was acting the bollox. If we had to get food we would have got some but we didnt need too
John O.Groats wrote: » Irrelevant.The rule is no food no booze.
John O.Groats wrote: » If you didn`t want food you should have been told to leave the premises straight away without being served any alcohol. The rules were flouted.
Deleted User wrote: » Why should they be reported? They were still serving food. As i said in an earlier post the place was well set up and everyone was well behaved. If you left your table to go to the bathroom without a face mask the staff were quick to tell you to put it on
AdrianBalboa wrote: » Where?
sasta le wrote: » Thought you had to order a 9euro meal
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