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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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ShineOn7 wrote: »

Irish Independent ask people will they take it

Obviously they could've edited this anyway they wanted, but it's great to see people from so many different ages say "yes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Do-IpiMlA

The anti-vaxers don't stand a chance. Polls have them at 30% and I think more will come around to it by March

We got this

WE GOT THIS?? Where are you? America?

There's Pro choice you know? not everyone who does not want a vaccine is an ANTI VAXER!! you hit your head on the way to the hangin??
It's not a dodgeball tournament either, they don't stand a chance.. how old are you?

We got this..jesus christ almighty...I bet you have a Pan am accent to boot!

Micky 32

rusty cole wrote: »

WE GOT THIS?? Where are you? America?

There's Pro choice you know? not everyone who does not want a vaccine is an ANTI VAXER!! you hit your head on the way to the hangin??
It's not a dodgeball tournament either, they don't stand a chance.. how old are you?

We got this..jesus christ almighty...I bet you have a Pan am accent to boot!

Relax calm down you’d swear you’re miffed that we now have a solution. It’s not really a problem if someone won’t take it. If they are happy enough to have their movements restricted who are we to judge? As acitizenerased and nocoverart including myself have said when we get it we’ll be off on our travels.

funnydoggy

rusty cole wrote: »

WE GOT THIS?? Where are you? America?

There's Pro choice you know? not everyone who does not want a vaccine is an ANTI VAXER!! you hit your head on the way to the hangin??
It's not a dodgeball tournament either, they don't stand a chance.. how old are you?

We got this..jesus christ almighty...I bet you have a Pan am accent to boot!

You okay there man?

Also who's to say he isn't American? :pac:

Miike

rusty cole wrote: »

WE GOT THIS?? Where are you? America?

There's Pro choice you know? not everyone who does not want a vaccine is an ANTI VAXER!! you hit your head on the way to the hangin??
It's not a dodgeball tournament either, they don't stand a chance.. how old are you?

We got this..jesus christ almighty...I bet you have a Pan am accent to boot!

You'd want to turn off your computer or phone and have a nice cup of tea. You're going to strain something being that wound up.

timsey tiger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm planning on travelling big time too after the vaccine. This year will make everyone appreciate the world a little more.

appreciate it enough to do anything about climate change?

Turtwig

timsey tiger wrote: »

appreciate it enough to do anything about climate change?

Our handling of COVID has pretty much demonstrated that we're fcked for climate change and other future problems where the adverse consequences are irreversible in the short term and large scale global cooperation is required to prevent them.

yosemitesam1

hmmm wrote: »

A lot of the "vaccines will not solve things" comments are from the WHO who are worried about the entire world and rightly so, particularly poorer countries. The reality is that the developed world will have lots of vaccines.

There also seems to be a concern that we won't get enough vaccine, how hard it is to manufacture and distribute etc. I don't share these concerns, governments will spend unlimited sums on getting these vaccines made and distributed.

There's also a concern that vaccine hesitancy will prevent herd immunity. I don't share this concern either, societies are not going to put up with living in lockdown indefinitely because of the risk from unvaccinated people.

The last risk is the risk that the virus mutates, or vaccines deliver short-lived immunity. Vaccines can be changed, and we can get booster shots. Simplistic and naïve I know, but the unknowns that remain don't justify the scary news headlines.

The two big concerns should be whether asymptomatic transmission can still occur from vaccinated individuals and whether or not severe disease in the most vulnerable will be prevented.
Those concerns have yet to be answered and won't be answered until a mass rollout happens, leaving the range of potential vaccine benefit from pretty much zero to excellent at this time.

Micky 32

timsey tiger wrote: »

appreciate it enough to do anything about climate change?

Who cares it’s a basic right freedom of travel and people have family abroad. Climate change shyte threads ————>

Bit cynical

I believe the vaccine will reduce significantly the level of virus in the general population though there will still be residual levels in circulation.

My worry is that even though negligible numbers of people will die with the virus, the curtain-twitchers, hypochondriacs and bedwetters who are in the the ascendancy will use this as an excuse to continue restrictions of various sorts long after there's any real threat.

Micky 32

Bit cynical wrote: »

I believe the vaccine will reduce significantly the level of virus in the general population though there will still be residual levels in circulation.

My worry is that even though negligible numbers of people will die with the virus, the curtain-twitchers, hypochondriacs and bedwetters who are in the the ascendancy will use this as an excuse to continue restrictions of various sorts long after there's any real threat.

Not to mention the climate change posse lockdown merchants who think lockdowns and restrictions are saving the world :rolleyes:

Anyway if the virus does what it says on the tin restrictions will be a hard sell to the public. Normality is at the end of the tunnel.

stephenjmcd

Sunday papers reporting that we're due 300,000 doses of Pfizer vaccine in the first delivery in early January, so 150,000 people, expected to be enough to cover all care homes and their staff

giveitholly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sunday papers reporting that we're due 300,000 doses of Pfizer vaccine in the first delivery in early January, so 150,000 people, expected to be enough to cover all care homes and their staff

Just on the Pfizer vaccine,will there be much time between each delivery of the vaccine and will it be 300,000 doses per batch

Micky 32

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sunday papers reporting that we're due 300,000 doses of Pfizer vaccine in the first delivery in early January, so 150,000 people, expected to be enough to cover all care homes and their staff

I think i may have read somewhere by end of February that would be completed. But then this is Ireland :P

Akabusi

Bit cynical wrote: »

I believe the vaccine will reduce significantly the level of virus in the general population though there will still be residual levels in circulation.

My worry is that even though negligible numbers of people will die with the virus, the curtain-twitchers, hypochondriacs and bedwetters who are in the the ascendancy will use this as an excuse to continue restrictions of various sorts long after there's any real threat.

The poor bedwetters only want a dry night's sleep.

Gael23

Micky 32 wrote: »

I think i may have read somewhere by end of February that would be completed. But then this is Ireland :P

The political pressure to get this right is huge so the HSE will have the powers that be all over them to ensure they can’t screw up

Micky 32

Gael23 wrote: »

The political pressure to get this right is huge so the HSE will have the powers that be all over them to ensure they can’t screw up

Hopefully. That alone will take pressure of restrictions/“lockdowns”.

drunkmonkey

Micky 32 wrote: »

Hopefully. That alone will take pressure of restrictions/“lockdowns”.

Can they lift the restrictions on the care homes once there vaccinated? They've been properly cut off from society a long time.

Micky 32

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can they lift the restrictions on the care homes once there vaccinated? They've been properly cut off from society a long time.

One would hope there would be some sort of ease up there. I suspect they’d rather the visitors to be vaccinated aswell before they’d relax.

astrofool

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can they lift the restrictions on the care homes once there vaccinated? They've been properly cut off from society a long time.

They're talking about vaccinating a buddy who visits them regularly at the same time, the restrictions will probably be in place until a significant part of the populace is vaccinated as a number of care home residents will be immuno deficient, and will be relying on others to be vaccinated to be safe. I'd be guessing Spring/Summer as vaccinations levels go up and warm weather has people outside more. Restrictions outside of care homes should start reducing once the most vulnerable are protected, but I'd imagine the returns of events/gigs etc. will probably be middle to end of Summer, all things going well.

Wet pubs can probably open with restricted numbers once the first tranches of vaccine have been given.

yosemitesam1

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can they lift the restrictions on the care homes once there vaccinated? They've been properly cut off from society a long time.

It remains to be seen what protection vaccination will give to the most vulnerable.

Micky 32

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It remains to be seen what protection vaccination will give to the most vulnerable.

The vaccines have shown 94% efficacy in over 65’s. If that’s true there’s a good chance the vaccine will help them.

Marhay70

astrofool wrote: »

Can you elaborate on "not interested in others"? Wearing a mask and following social distancing measures as a non-vulnerable person right now is probably the definition of being interested in others, whether it's protecting the vulnerable, or keeping the hospitals from being overrun.

For yourself, is your reason for not wanting to wear a mask a physical or psychological issue?

I'd fail to see how wearing a mask would make much of a difference to most people when socialising, again, unless there is a psychological issue at play.

I'm thinking the psychological barrier might be the inability to knock back pints and shift the pretty girls.:rolleyes:

yosemitesam1

Micky 32 wrote: »

The vaccines have shown 94% efficacy in over 65’s. If that’s true there’s a good chance the vaccine will help them.

It might help them but it might also make little difference as the vaccine trials weren't setup to see if asymptomatic transmission and severe covid infections would be impacted. Nobody knows and won't know how exactly it will performs at protecting the most vulnerable until it's rolled out

Micky 32

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It might help them but it might also make little difference as the vaccine trials weren't setup to see if asymptomatic transmission and severe covid infections would be impacted. Nobody knows and won't know how exactly it will performs at protecting the most vulnerable until it's rolled out

Well we will just have to hope it does won’t we? I’m sure you’re hoping it does work right? You’re clearly looking for faults in the vaccine. Thankfully from my own research from the actual experts i’m confident your fears are unfounded.

Necro

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Masks discussion goes in the mask thread, I have deleted multiple off topic posts

yosemitesam1

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well we will just have to hope it does won’t we? I’m sure you’re hoping it does work right? You’re clearly looking for faults in the vaccine. Thankfully from my own research from the actual experts i’m confident your fears are unfounded.

I hope it turns out to be 99%+ effective on everybody but it's important to get actual answers and understand the most likely limitations of any vaccine.
If the research hasn't actually been done, we can't just assume that the biggest hurdles the vaccine faces will be cleared.

Hmmzis

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It might help them but it might also make little difference as the vaccine trials weren't setup to see if asymptomatic transmission and severe covid infections would be impacted. Nobody knows and won't know how exactly it will performs at protecting the most vulnerable until it's rolled out

The 94% also affects hospitalizations vs non-vaccinated matched cohorts. Where you do have a point is if the remaining 6% are still susceptible to severe or moderate disease, that's where the confidence intervals are too wide to tell for sure. Then again, the results have been so onesided that it does look like it should still help for those people as well. It would also line up with what we know from other vaccines.

noserider

Is there a time lapse between getting the vaccine and becoming immune? Weeks/days/hours?

Russman

Just thinking about the roll out of the vaccine, if we got XX amount of doses, whatever it might be, in January, let’s say 250k. Would it be best to give 250k people their first dose and depend on subsequent shipments for the second doses, or give 125k people their first and second dose out of the first batch ?

Russman

noserider wrote: »

Is there a time lapse between getting the vaccine and becoming immune? Weeks/days/hours?

I saw an interview with the BioNtech guy a few days ago. I was only half watching it tbh, but I think he said 7 days after the second dose.