drunkmonkey wrote: » There couldn't be an equal chance as different countries had different regulations around it. Like for example here, 100% of under 5's might not have had it which is the case. Also 100% of over 80's might not have had it either.
Gael23 wrote: » Will we be seeing companies like Pfizer and Moderna sell rights to the vaccine to other drug manufacturers to rapidly increase production?
Deleted User wrote: » Except that in each country where the trial is run there will be equal numbers in both the placebo group and the vaccine group, and the demographics of each group will be similar. Say in the USA 10,000 participants, 5,000 placebo, 5,000 vaccine. Low BCG coverage so maybe 10% across both groups. Another arm of the trial is in say Poland 2,000 participants, 1,000 placebo, 1,000 vaccine. Good BCG coverage so maybe as much as 80% across both groups. What you are suggesting is remedied by the trial design, Pfizer in particular have a great sample size across lots of different countries.
drunkmonkey wrote: » The question is really if bcg is 30% effective, 90% of our population have had that vaccine, would it not suggest we don't need 70% take up on the new vaccine, it's more of a top up maybe 10/20% uptake would do us. Is it 25% of health care workers have caught Covid, maybe that's the magic number.
hmmm wrote: » Unlikely unfortunately (25%). There was an interesting study of a fishing vessel from a few months ago where 85% of the people on the ship got infected.https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-fishing-boat-outbreak-virus-immunity.html I'm not expert on these things, but looking at how Ebola is tackled it shows that as vaccinations are pushed out, it starts squeezing the virus even without requiring herd immunity. Let's say we got everyone in hospitals vaccinated, and everyone in nursing homes, now we could potentially keep some of our limited supply to go after outbreaks. If as an example there was an outbreak in a meat plant, you'd immediately vaccinate the other workers and all of their close contacts (whatever their health or age) - there'd still be some infections, but it becomes much harder for the virus to break out into the wider community.
Deleted User wrote: » UK have appointed a Minister for Vaccine deployment, mostly a PR move I'd guess, but not a bad idea. It puts a face on who's responsible and might be an added impetus to get things moving.
hmmm wrote: » Good move by the UK. Our vaccine strategy is apparently being delivered to Government on the 11th of December. The UK is planning to actually start vaccinating on the 7th, they have had their strategy published for some time. I know these things can't be rushed, and we might not even get deliveries of vaccines until January, but I'm getting concerned now at the seeming lack of urgency. Apparently we're also supposed to get a media plan promoting vaccines - well, where is it? Like a lot of people I've been fully supportive of lockdowns and the actions of our health professionals and government, but they'll lose that support rapidly if we look like we are dawdling with getting vaccines deployed.
chrisbonnie wrote: » Where did it say the British are planning to start jabbing on the 7th of December?
Micky 32 wrote: » According to the RTE news app: “Planning and preparation for a Covid-19 vaccine and how an immunisation programme in Ireland would work have been under way for months.” “ Teams in the Department of Health and the HSE have been working on it, and a new high-level Government task force has also been set up. “
hmmm wrote: » I wasn't filled with confidence by something I read earlier in the month. If they have been working on some of these things for months (particularly with the knowledge of the potential cold storage requirements), shouldn't these names have been available immediately? (genuine question). "Mr Martin said the taskforce will be chaired by Professor Brian MacCraith of DCU. The Chief Medical Officer will also be on the committee along withMr Reid Reid, chair of the senior officials group on Covid-19 Liz Canavan, Government chief information officer Barry Lowry, Government chief procurement officer Paul Quinn, a yet to be confirmed officials from the Department of Business, along with a logistics cold chain expert and project management expert." The first meeting of the task force was on the 23rd, and this was published:https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/de326-first-meeting-of-the-high-level-taskforce-on-covid-19-vaccination/
Water John wrote: » Vaccinating care home residents will mostly supress the deaths from the virus. Vaccinating any vulnerable cohort will reduce hospitalisations also and the number in ICU. That will be a major early achievement of a vaccination programme.
JTMan wrote: » Sunday Independent reports here and here (paywall): - Officially speaking the government are saying that vaccinations will start at the end of January but privately those involved expect vaccinations to start at the end of December. - Supplies are probably going to arrive in December. One insider said what is the point in storing them rather than putting them to immediate use. - Vaccinations could start 5 days to 1 week after the supplies arrive. The supplies might arrive around 11 December. - 1.4 million people in Ireland fall under the "vulnerable" category. - 'People over 80 in nursing homes' might be the first category to get the vaccine. - Decisions still to be made on mass vaccinations centres. (So slow making these decisions versus other countries).
Cork2021 wrote: » It’s just the Irish psych to be like this. Monday week is possible that the first jabs will be given in the UK while sometime next month we’re looking at. We are always and forever will be behind
AssetBacked2 wrote: » I wonder could one go to another country to get the vaccine if it is available sooner than in Ireland to the general public?
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