Hmmzis wrote: » 1918 was caused by a strain of H1N1 influenza (type A), still around, most would have been vaccinated at some point or would have had it the old fashioned way. SARS from 2002-2004 was wiped out with contact tracing and isolating victims. 1957, 2009 is H1N1 again, antigen drift keeps it around. 1968 H3N2 (type A influenza) MERS form 2012 - endemic in dromedary camels. Camel workers are getting infected by it still every year. Since it's not spreading easily between humans, it's being contained. The latest paper on MERS in The Lancet is well worth a read if you're interested. We have yearly pandemics of influenza A and B with a bit of H1N1 here and there (the standard TIV would have those three included), same with the four hCoVs (e229, NL63, HKU1, OC43), rhinoviruses (around 100 serotypes), adenoviruses, noroviruses, RSV etc. We've just gotten used to them and are referring to them as seasonal colds and flus.
Micky 32 wrote: » I never said it wouldn’t.
Deleted User wrote: » OC43 is now thought by many to have caused the Russian "flu" which killed a million between 1889-1895. Reports on it suggest very similar symptoms to covid. Now it causes a cold, sometimes bronchitis and occasionally pneumonia
Micky 32 wrote: » There’s no irony in my post. Point it out?
Gael23 wrote: » I believe that Smallpox is the only disease that has ever been 100% eradicated from the modern world. TB came close but seems to be creeping back
ACitizenErased wrote: » So nobody should make conclusions until we have data.
Irish Stones wrote: » So it has weakened?
Irish Stones wrote: » In my country, Italy, the vaccine for Smallpox isn't mandatory anymore, it was abolisghed in 1981, and doesn't appear in the list of the 14 vaccines to be administered to young kids. I was vaccinated against it, as was all my generation. It seems that should smallpox be back, this lat generation might be wiped out.
holdyerhorses wrote: » No. Think about what you're accusing the 'experts' (your quotes) of doing, and what you're doing.
stevek93 wrote: » I seen the HSE has stopped giving the TB vaccine since 2015?
Micky 32 wrote: » What am i doing? Do tell.... all i’m saying the experts on here claiming “ there won’t be an effective vaccine” should be taken by a pinch of salt until the actual vaccine experts reveal their findings in a month or so. Quite simple really.
Gael23 wrote: » It has been effectively eradicated so you don’t need the smallpox vaccine
Irish Stones wrote: » I had read that a sample of smallpox virus had been saved and stored in safe places for scientific purposes. Just think if, by a human error, that sample escaped those safe places!https://www.passporthealthusa.com/2019/10/why-do-we-store-samples-of-eradicated-diseases/Despite these ongoing arguments, live samples of the smallpox virus are still housed at two locations. One laboratory is in Russia's State Research Center of Virology, located in the city of Koltsovo in Siberia. The other samples are kept at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
Deleted User wrote: » R0 estimated at 3.5 - 6 in populations with no residual immunityhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11742399/
Irish Stones wrote: » Exactly what I was meaning. My generation and those till 1980 have been vaccinated. We could survive a smallpox pandemic, but all people younger that 40-45 will be doomed.
hmmm wrote: » https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/breaking-news/covid-vaccine-des-set-to-be-announced-imminently-for-december-start "It has now been confirmed to Pulse by numerous sources that GPs and the whole of the NHS are going to be put on standby to start vaccinating over-85s and frontline workers from early December."
Gael23 wrote: » The factory which produced it was destroyed by fire and there is no other producer available I believe. I actually never got it. I was taken to crumbling children hospitals soon after birth and vaccines weren’t done there.
holdyerhorses wrote: » If you can't figure it out from your post in reply to mine, then I cannot help, it's glaringly obvious. You said don't listen to the 'experts' here as they have no data, they you said said 'experts' would be disappointed because of the data. Which is it? There is data or there isnt? I don't think anyone here has said there won't be an 'effective' vaccine. What they've said is that it won't be SARS-Cov-2 sterilising (as the manufacturers have also suggested with their goals), it will reduce the COVID-19 disease. Does this continually need explaining? It seems like it might. There is also the question of length of immunity of any vaccine, there are reports of waning t-cell and anti-bodies, and there are also report of significantly longer lasting immunity, this is really the open question about efficacy and a vaccine or infection route out of this whole thing.
Micky 32 wrote: » Once again talking out of your hoop and stop twisting everything i post. Seems to be a common tactic on here. My comment was sarcasm for when we actualy get the data. I did not say anywhere there is actual data available yet. You have no evidence of anything you posted above. Lets wait for the real experts to reveal the data in a month or two and not boards armchair experts eh? To summarise. Until the vaccine companies reveal the results of the trials no one knows for sure what they will be with any certainty, it’s that simple.
stevek93 wrote: » Were they vaccinating in the early 90s?
tobefrank321 wrote: » No-one is making conclusions. Everything is speculation at this point. Most people are fine with speculation and different scenarios based on what the vaccines will achieve, eg effectiveness, sterilising, etc. One or two posters on the otherhand take huge offence to any kind of speculation. That's ok too. But its kind of idiotic to pin all our hopes on the vaccine alone and not have a plan in case its not 100% effective or sterilising. You cannot just rustle up hospital or icu capacity overnight if the vaccine fails to do everything some people think it will. There also needs to be a fallback plan.
ACitizenErased wrote: » What do you mean by 'the' vaccine? Which one is 'the' vaccine? There's hundreds of them.
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