hmmm wrote: » Good (short) interview with Dr. Amesh Adalja in the video below about the likely future of Covid when we have vaccines and treatments.
starlit wrote: » I read that about the Doctor in Brazil. Very sad. You would wonder are these vaccine trials safe. It be some time before a vaccine will be deemed safe. Its possible the virus might mutate to a point of extinction or that we have to live with it for ever more but that it mutate into a normal flu. Even with a vaccine it's likely it have to be topped up to keep immunity ticking over.
seamus wrote: » For the avoidance of confusion, none of the vaccine trials involve actually exposing anyone to covid. The participants receive either the vaccine or a placebo, and then are sent on their way to live their life. They are not supposed to act any differently to anyone else, they must adhere to exactly the same public health advice as everyone else, take the same precautions. In effect, all participants are told to assume they haven't been vaccinated. They then just wait to see how many participants contract covid naturally and then run a comparison between the vaccinated group and the placebo group. This is why the trial itself is safe - they're not making it any more likely that an individual will contract covid. Whether annual boosters will be required, remains to be seen. Acquired immunity through infection and through vaccination aren't necessarily the same thing. Some vaccines can produce a much longer immunity than natural exposure. Financially though it doesn't make much sense for a company to aggressively look for a permanent vaccine. There's money in boosters so long as they can keep up with demand.
Timistry wrote: » There actually are concerns within the pharma industry about the efficacy of the vaccines in the pipeline, the scale up of the manufacture and the logistics of supply (many variants may have to be frozen). Just off a work call there, one year will be nothing short of amazing, 2 years more realistic. Most of the reported "breakthroughs" are about treatments for SARS COV-2, which will save lives and help people recover faster. However, they will not stop the spread nor offer us any protection - self isolation and lockdowns still necessary. This is where a globally coordinated vaccination program is required, with potential booster shots after 6/12/24 months. This has not been attempted before in a short timeframe (normally takes >10yrs)
hmmm wrote: » Good (short) interview with Dr. Amesh Adalja in the video below about the likely future of Covid when we have vaccines and treatments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k10XxqxEVnQ
dominatinMC wrote: » One would have to seriously question RTEs journalistic integrity at this stage. I'm not going to go down the road of conspiracy theories and agendas, but their fixation on doom and gloom can't be ignored. Yes, their duty is to inform the public and to maintain realism. But to cherry pick that one story from all the others out there stinks of clickbait negativity. Thank god we have this thread.
This is it wrote: » With regards to testing procedures, if you have a positive result they request that you self isolate for 10 days, when does that 10 day clock start? From first symptoms I'd have thought but it's a bit unclear. Also will there be a second test to prove negative or back to "normal" after the 10 days? Normal being standard restrictions, etc. Thanks
Le Bruise wrote: » The Doctor in Brazil was given the placebo, so his death was tragic, but nothing to do with the vaccine. This won't mutate into a normal flu, as it's not an influenza virus.
dominatinMC wrote: » He's saying what a lot of others are saying without the dramatic headline. Essentially, that a vaccine will not be a panacea/silver bullet but, instead, will work in conjunction with improved treatments to allow us to live with the virus. And, contrary to what RTE want us to believe, live normally.
dominatinMC wrote: » I know Luke is an eternal optimist, but good to hear one of the experts so upbeat and positive. Given his favourable outlook on the situation, I'm shocked RTE let him on The Late Late Show a few weeks ago!https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-course-well-get-back-pre-covid-world-will-take-time-1094674
Gael23 wrote: » Any treatment has failed so chances of that are slim
martingriff wrote: » That is the very definition of a virus a treatment helps it does not cure. If it did we would not need a vaccine. You could say the same about the flu or any virus that need a vaccine
Gael23 wrote: » But no treatment works?
The_Brood wrote: » Since Ireland is subject to NPHET's divine decrees, everyone can forget about being allowed near a vaccine any time soon. We will need to wait for every other European country to test a vaccine 10 times over before we even begin considering it, and every professor to stamp his approval before it is "safe" for us to give it a go. Better to live the next decade in perpetual lockdown then go against Holy Tony's word.
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