grind gremlin wrote: » Do schools get the blame when the unworkable doesn’t work? This could be a catastrophe in the making.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The poster mustn't have read what the dept. is publishing because it mentions the exact size room the poster has and gives guidance The use of face coverings/visors must be implemented where the 1 metre distance cannot be achieved. For example: more than 24 students in a 49sq classroom that has been fully cleared more than 20 students in a 42sqm classroom. Satellite rooms So which part of this is the poster unable to make work? There also seems to be an issue with toilets? People in work places go to the toilet without all the drama the teachers are imagining.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Read the guidance. Why ignore it. You implement it ad much as you can . Ignoring it and hoping for the best is akin to hiding back under the bed What resources have you askedyour principal for regarding extra space, satellite rooms etc?
Smacruairi wrote: » OK I'll bite again. We have discussed masks at length and the overall consensus from parents seems to be, no masks (and fringey will love that). Now, satellite rooms. We have none. There are no other rooms to use other than corridors and passageways. Where do kids go. Who supervises them. How does it actually work?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » In a 42m2 room with more than 20 pupils masks can be worn it's there I black and white in what the dept. Issued Have you checked out the local community centre or parish hall?
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Anyone have the numbers for kids who have tested positive?
Smacruairi wrote: » OK, again. There are 6 schools in the locality. Can we all avail of the hall. What classes do you put in the hall. Do teachers shuttle to and from there? How do you assign classes. I like the way you've now accepted your design is unworkable and are now insisting on masks being worn. When we sort this out we can talk about masks which has been done to death and is just a distraction really.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Here's an idea, have a meeting with your principal and colleagues and ask.
Smacruairi wrote: » Please no glib answers, an acknowledgement that there are legit grievances and concerns, share them, and help us lobby for a better change. You asked earlier have I asked my principal. I'm on the BOM. We contacted every politician, all other local schools, unions, the inspectorate, and the DES directly. We have received no further suggestions other than to await further instructions.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Did you ask them could you use the parish hall?
caveat emptor wrote: » Sorry I didn't read right. essentially if everyone wears "surgical mask" type it blunts infection enough that nobody gets it (with other measures). Still possible. If one person i.e teacher wears it then it won't be enough if there's an outbreak. It essentially only stops YOUR droplets and aerosols from infecting others. If you were to were an fp3 respirator with goggles you'd be golden. caveat only works if there is no exhaust valve on the mask as if there was you'd be fine but if you contracted your exhaust gas would infect the class. potentially. Any questions. Let me know. Hears a summary. I don't think it's a good argument.https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1288528942392057857?s=20
Smacruairi wrote: » We enquired about every appropriate avenue back in June. Most schools did the same. Care to answer any of my questions to you or are you going to keep up the obfuscation
Alrigghtythen wrote: » I am answering your question. If you already asked for the hall in june, why ask me if you can use it or if 6 schools at once can use it? Is that not something that came up in the conversation?
Smacruairi wrote: » Because I know the answer was, no, it's insufficient. So again, strike that one out. You are now back to square one of 30 kids in a room for 20 as per DES loose guidelines. So now what. Do you think I'm making things up here? Do you think that the people who work in the buildings haven't gone down every single avenue? That's why so many of us are in shock. It's like you asking me for a loan of 100 and when I don't have it, you just keep saying, but check your other pocket. And even when I show you my pockets you still think I'm hiding it on you.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The community wont let the school use the hall? Or you didnt actually ask?
Smacruairi wrote: » The premises is inadequate for housing classes owing to insurance, cleaning, and would only hold 45 anyway. We need 200 according to your own model. So we have no where else did the 155. And that's just our school, there are 5 others. So back to my questions to you, seeing as you have totally abandoned your attempt to fit 30 in a room which you haven't held your hand up on yet to say, yeah my bad. You don't have any answers. That's fine. We are very very quickly running out ourselves. So now when we go after the higher ups you will suppprt us, right?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The dept. Are providing extra funding for cleaning. Insurance, what did the dept. Say about that when you asked them? We has classes in a local community centre for a period, so the issue can be resolved. I dont need to hold my hand up. The plan is according to guidelines for primary school. And it would be 45 students sorted. What higher ups are you going after and what are your demands?
khalessi wrote: » So would I be covered with N95 masks
Smacruairi wrote: » Extra funds for cleaning is fine. I'm supportive of that. That's not the issue though, it's student numbers and social distancing that's the issue. The department doesn't pay insurance, the BOM does. Again, you aren't in education so you wouldn't know, but Jesus will you take my word on anything? When did you have classes in the local hall. Was it during socially distant pandemic? Did it have insurance? Otherwise not relevant. And the whole point of the threas is that the guidelines don't work. Now you're just waving a flag. 45 students sorted, how do you pick them out of the 200? Higher ups being the DES. I've told you our demands. Like the public hospitals couldn't house the crisis at the start, that was fine... So the govt rented up all the pvt hospitals to accommodate... Why couldn't they have done that at the start of summer? Why couldn't they have rolled out consistent remote learning platforms like they were asked to. Why couldn't they afford flexibility in attendance and suppoet parents in extra time off. A million Diff suggestions we made but they went with, nah, see how you get on.that's the point we are making, and at this stage if you can't see it and think we are just lazy whingers then there is no hope at all. I think it's time to retire, you're done. You can text fringey and she can start up the same old arguments tomorrow instead.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » 2 teachers both wanted to be vice principal. The school went on strike. Exam classes had to have classes in the local centre so not to pass the picket. They made one of the teachers vice principal and the other special vice principal in the end. Yes we had insurance. Is the BOM not willing to pay if required? How do you pick the students? You sit down with your colleagues and your principal and your bom and you discuss a solution. What parents should they have supported with time off?most of the country wasnt working. You've done nothing yet
Smacruairi wrote: » No it was totally unaffordable for the school, particularly when we don't know how long the situation will last and with no grants from the DES for this. Yes we asked, no they wouldn't. You tell 14 5 kids they can't come to school. Grand, see you in court. That's not an option and you know it. What parents? All parents. Tie it to child welfare payment. Very easily tracked and suggested. But nah, they didn't want to do that either seemingly. Done nothing yet? Well you never asked. But that's fine. You know for someone who has moaned about teachers looking for every reason not to go back in, you've tried to split hairs down to the atom, and are still not happy with the answers. How has it not crossed your mind yet that you should be having this out with the DES and not teachers and schools? Like, it's actually incredible. We have tds sitting in a convention centre at 50k a day. They weren't looking at remote scenarios, or looking to divide up tds, or looking for rotations etc. They just moved everyone to a plush place up the road that could let them continue as before but with social d. If you're happy with that but punching down on schools for trying their best for the last 4 months, man, what's wrong with you Also just realised all my suggestions are about educating everyone as they are all entitled. Several times you've tried to omit people and say tough. Reflect on that if you can and the reasons why.
Smacruairi wrote: » you aren't in education so you wouldn't know, you're just waving a flag. we are just lazy whingers then there is no hope at all. I think it's time to retire, you're done. You can text fringey and she can start up the same old arguments tomorrow instead.
ampie wrote: » In the past 5 months I have yet to encounter a can do attitude amongst the teachers within my own circle and beyond.... just an observation. None of them ever talk about the detrimental effects of school lockdown on children...it’s all about their own fears and safety for themselves....Yet they are out and about, shopping, holidaying, dining out, socialising w friends etc all summer! No fears/ safety issues there. Just saying....they don’t really want to go back imo. Why would they, if they can stay home on full pay? I wouldn’t want to either! So stay home if you must, but on the €350 pup, Freeing up financial resources for new grads, subs etc who CAN commit to working ft. Unreasonable to expect schools to not open, and to expect childminders, parents etc to homeschool , as has been the case, for no extra pay for essentially doing YOUR job.
