Smacruairi wrote: » OK, again. There are 6 schools in the locality. Can we all avail of the hall. What classes do you put in the hall. Do teachers shuttle to and from there? How do you assign classes. I like the way you've now accepted your design is unworkable and are now insisting on masks being worn. When we sort this out we can talk about masks which has been done to death and is just a distraction really.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Anyone have the numbers for kids who have tested positive?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » In a 42m2 room with more than 20 pupils masks can be worn it's there I black and white in what the dept. Issued Have you checked out the local community centre or parish hall?
grind gremlin wrote: » Do schools get the blame when the unworkable doesn’t work? This could be a catastrophe in the making.
Smacruairi wrote: » OK I'll bite again. We have discussed masks at length and the overall consensus from parents seems to be, no masks (and fringey will love that). Now, satellite rooms. We have none. There are no other rooms to use other than corridors and passageways. Where do kids go. Who supervises them. How does it actually work?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Read the guidance. Why ignore it. You implement it ad much as you can . Ignoring it and hoping for the best is akin to hiding back under the bed What resources have you askedyour principal for regarding extra space, satellite rooms etc?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The poster mustn't have read what the dept. is publishing because it mentions the exact size room the poster has and gives guidance The use of face coverings/visors must be implemented where the 1 metre distance cannot be achieved. For example: more than 24 students in a 49sq classroom that has been fully cleared more than 20 students in a 42sqm classroom. Satellite rooms So which part of this is the poster unable to make work? There also seems to be an issue with toilets? People in work places go to the toilet without all the drama the teachers are imagining.
Smacruairi wrote: » To be fair to our poster, again they tried. I won't mock anyone for that. It's the next bit that I want people to realise. So we tried to get a classroom sorted. We can't, what's next? You ignore the distancing and hope for the best (which is what I think most schools are doing because I'm even been in my school and our layouts don't inspire), or you look to other measures. I'd like the non teachers to offer the suggestions now on that one.
khalessi wrote: » Can someone tell me where the idea that if only a teacher or person wears a mask it is no good?
grind gremlin wrote: » The suggested plan provided by the department above is a classroom almost twice the size of the one the poster described. The classroom also needs space for an SNA and a student in a wheelchair. It’s impossible to have a class layout that meets SD rules given the size constraints.
grind gremlin wrote: » To be fair, these days SNA’s are often ‘shared’ between multiple students. They are often racing from class to class as different children with different needs have to be supported.... and our poor ministers are upset that they have to share advisors....
khalessi wrote: » Yes and they can use megaphones for the students upstairs
Icyseanfitz wrote: » My own idea for us snas would be to stand outside the window and shout advice in to our kids, slightly disruptive, but as you said, #bespokesolutions
downthemiddle wrote: » You could put her under the sink, if you have a sink. Bespoke solutions.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » I'll have to start charging consultancy fees
Smacruairi wrote: » Seriously, draw it and you'll see what we all see but you don't. The DES example is double the size and looks cramped.. I
Beasty wrote: » It also begs the question as to how a teacher can "oversee" and help students who are struggling to come to grips with an issue. How can they "mark" work - or is that all to be done electronically? Is it actually much better than learning remotely? The other issue I would forsee is as soon as there's a single case in a school it would have to lockdown for 2 weeks (or possibly longer if it spreads), and everyone's back to remote learning anyway. And to those who say children generally have relatively mild symptoms, those are the people most likely to not know they are infected and therefore likely to infect a lot more people I've one kid due back in school next month and 2 starting 3rd level education in September. The ones going to college only expect to be there every 3rd week, with everything else done remotely. That seems a reasonable way to tackle this, as I fear for the idea of bringing all kids back into classrooms simultaneously Once we have a vaccine that's available to everyone we may get back to the "old" ways of doing things, but this pandemic is playing out pretty much as the experts were suggesting when it kicked off with fresh "spikes" or "new waves" meaning there are variable levels of lockdown, both in terms of the scale of restrictions and geographic areas. Trying to get everyone back risks a situation where the "lucky" ones get through this relatively unscathed (both health-wise and academically), whereas a lot end up with a great deal of disruption
happyday wrote: » We have a SNA in almost every class in our school... with a desk. Where does she fit in?
khalessi wrote: » Students dont hop up at their leisure, there are rules but they need the bathroom. It isnt a nightclub.
