Gael23 wrote: » The system in secondary schools might need to change to the teacher moving. Would reduce crowds in school corridors too
Oranage2 wrote: » Seems like the government is hell bound on opening the schools, I honestly think it's a mistake, high numbers today shows schools are exactly the type of places the virus spreads rapidly in. I predict the schools opening in September then closing in October till after Christmas, instead they should wait till November and be able to have the schools opened for the rest of the term and with a proper plan not one that was rushed.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » ASTI are not insisting that everyone wears masks, that's not true. Current guidance omits the entire primary schoolgoing population and some first years too from any mandatory face coverings.
Blondini wrote: » Only 85 new cases today, open 'em up!
Rimmy wrote: » Would rather everyone had a face shield. Masks just lead to necessary face touching.
Rjd2 wrote: » https://www.thelocal.ch/20200730/swiss-health-chiefs-warn-visors-no-substitute-for-face-masks Sadly the Swiss health chiefs think they are not as effective as masks.
Redordeadqwwer wrote: » Sorry but we're we not all under the impression it is transmitted through the air?
chocoholic999 wrote: » Visors would certainly be more comfortable than masks. Others have posted that they are not a effective as masks though but I’m not sure.
sideswipe wrote: » Thanks Lulublue. As part of the assessment we were advised to get some extra home support. Homeschooling would be an option because of the nature of our work but she loves school, her teachers and her friends too much for that. I suppose I’m wonders if there are Qualified primary teachers that don’t teach in school settings but rather work privately? It’s come up in conversation with some other parents that if school was to end up closed again or blended learning it might be an option to set up a smaller, more manageable group in a home setting with a teacher where the issues of hygiene, SD, ventilation etc etc could be managed far better with 3 or 4 families sharing the cost for a full or partial week.
caveat emptor wrote: » What does the new information mean in context of pandemic. We can control risk but assuming only droplet transmission is now 100% wrong. The measures taken in most parts of society haven’t addressed this yet. Will take time to mitigate but common sense regard windows and airflow should be applied. Don’t take my word for it. Here’s a different random guy on Internet who has a credential or two and is willing to share them with you.https://twitter.com/alinouriphd/status/1288838288065933313?s=21
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » So they can wear a visor if the school does not have available space to meet the criteria and they don't have a medical reason not to wear one. Students still won't have to wear masks though, they can wear a visor (in "exceptional circumstances") which is much more comfortable than a mask (or they can get a note and be excused from wearing any face covering and be moved to a room where social distancing is possible). "The school must consider" does not equal they have to. Specifically states that any face covering is not to be worn all day either. And nothing of the sort for primary I take it.
bmc58 wrote: » A five year old in Senior Infants cannot be expected to wear a mask.
am_zarathustra wrote: » They are categorically not as safe. The only way it would be safe for the teacher would be if all the students wore masks and they wore a shield but it's worth noting that the teacher could be sheding virus then so would need to be very mindful of staying 2m away. I agree though, given the distance we will be at a mask would really muffle the voice. Masks for kids, shields for teachers, that's what I would have assumed the recommendation would have been as that is very clearly what research is saying. I'd be happy with that to be honest
am_zarathustra wrote: » They are categorically not as safe. The only way it would be safe for the teacher would be if all the students wore masks and they wore a shield but it's worth noting that the teacher could be sheding virus then so would need to be very mindful of staying 2m away. I agree though, given the distance we will be at a mask would really muffle the voice.Masks for kids, shields for teachers, that's what I would have assumed the recommendation would have been as that is very clearly what research is saying. I'd be happy with that to be honest
Spanish Eyes wrote: » Better than blended learning or them all cramming in 30 to a class with an uncomfortable mask I would think. And the teacher can be seen and heard and vice versa. Might be worth a shot.
am_zarathustra wrote: » (a) more than 24 students in a 49sq classroom that has been fully cleared (b) more than 20 students in a 42sqm classroom.
chocoholic999 wrote: » It’s in the framework for social distancing. Another poster has posted the relevant paragraph. The fact is that some schools just won’t be able to implement 1m SD, even after implementing everything in the roadmap. Students in those schools will have to wear masks for any class where SD is impossible.
am_zarathustra wrote: » "Students, faculty and other employees should wear masks properly at all times. Face shields, while not as good as masks — droplets can enter or exit from the bottom or sides — are better than nothing and an option for those who for medical reasons are unable to wear a mask. Everyone should wash hands or sanitize them every hour or so. Adequate ventilation and rigorous nightly cleaning of facilities with disinfectants will also need to be aspects of these return-to-school strategies. Schools need to reduce class size to allow students to be 6 feet apart. Recommendations from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine and data from other countries suggest some 10 to 15 students in a regular classroom is about right. Students should also be assigned to “pods” or “cohorts” — small groups to limit the number of people they interact with throughout the day. Students should not change classrooms — teachers should — and student arrivals and departures should be staggered." This is the advice from the NASEM. We probably have two scientist in the whole country that could maybe hope to ever work for this organisation given the type of credentials required. I believe their advice in actually valid. I don't for a second believe any scientist/researcher (and I know a fair few and was one before I became a teacher) would stand over the current guidelines. The ASTI are absolutely right to query them There is a great study done early on in China in a restaurant on spread, completely dependent on where the person was in relation to the person shedding viral particles and the air conditioning unit!! The kids will all be in hoodies and coats!!https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/health/airflow-coronavirus-restaurants.html
combat14 wrote: » just heard of 3 teachers not coming back from dubai this year wonder what the numbers of available of staff will be like for next year
