Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Haven't seen that anywhere, in fact surprisingly the unions seem to be optimistic albeit there's some concerns about the tight time frame involved. Maybe even they realise it's the best that can be achieved in a bad situation. Teachers unions can insist all they like and they might secure masks for their members however they don't get to dictate what hundreds of thousands of children do. Children don't have a choice about going to school in the same way that they would in going to a shop or on public transport. So what will ASTI insist on, come to school in a mask or be home schooled? Never going to happen, can you imagine the legal fallout for starters.
combat14 wrote: » Asti request minister review medical advice for return to schoolhttps://www.asti.ie/news/asti-requests-minister-to-seek-review-of-medical-advice-for/
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I'd imagine they mean for their members, and they are asking for review not insisting on everyone wearing masks like you said.
Will Yam wrote: » So are you saying that going out and about is risk free?
combat14 wrote: » looks like more than review for members.. querying fact phase 4 reopening hasn't even got green light yet and also that significant changes have occurred to public health policies in the interim including everyone wearing masks In retail space
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » So where did you get "ASTI are insisting in everyone wearing masks" from or is that just your take on it?
In addition, significant changes in public policy have been introduced regarding the wearing of masks on public transport and in other enclosed spaces since the interim recommendations for the reopening of schools and educational facilities were provided to the Department in Education.
Boggles wrote: » He says they sound like it and in reading the press release it certainly does. Over 13s have to wear them in a business premise but not in a school. Does the virus know they are in school and leave them alone? All perfectly reasonable questions IMO.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » So where did you get "ASTI are insisting in everyone wearing masks" from or is that just your take on it? Based on medical guidance kids under 13 don't have to wear a mask regardless of the situation, it's not mandatory for them at the moment. So not everyone has to wear them in retail space.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » So not everyone then?
wirelessdude01 wrote: » What age do you think secondary going teenagers are?
Lillyfae wrote: » / I want at risk children to be safe. I want immuno compromised children to stay healthy. I want special needs children to have their needs properly met. I want teachers to have a safe work environment. Of course I do! Unsafe opening of schools will result in nothing except a higher mortality rate eventually. I think that the resources needed to include a centralised facilitation of online platforms, with devices being provided to teachers who are immunocompromised and immunocompromised children who don't have the means to provide their own, so that they can all work from home. If broadband is a problem, it doesn't need to be live teaching, or the teacher could be provided with a location to use adequate broadband from. I think that everyone on the register of teachers who is not immunocompromised, already in employment, or abroad needs to be utilised on the sub panels, or risk losing their registration. I think whole schools need to be reconfigured or extended or rebuilt with the input of occupational hazard/ public health expert risk assessments BEFORE they can be opened. But ya, I'm just here to have a go at teachers, sure.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » ASTI are not insisting that everyone wears masks, that's not true. Current guidance omits the entire primary schoolgoing population and some first years too from any mandatory face coverings.
Boggles wrote: » I imagine everyone who can possibly wear them in post primary. But who knows maybe there is a perfectly logical medical explanation as to why you have to wear one nipping in for bread and not sitting in a packed class room with little ventilation.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » It's for practical reasons, changing masks at least once during the day, taking it off for breaks and lunch, wearing it properly. It's easier to put one on for 5 mins going to a shop (or a short trip on school bus) than it is to wear one all day every day. It has been approached in a risk v benefit manner and hence quite rightly the advice that they aren't mandatory in school.
caveat emptor wrote: » Wow, looks like Fauci saw the quiz question yesterday about the transmissibility from the koreanan study. That was the point of looking at how many household contacts subsequently got infected off there little darlings over 9. Great to see they are pushing for an actual review by public health experts instead of saying it'll be grand.https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1288832785344593922?s=20
Will Yam wrote: » The poster said s/he wanted his/her kids to be in a safe environment. If you want safety, take no risks, stay at home as I said. This concept of absolute safety is utter nonsense. It doesn’t exist.
chocoholic999 wrote: » Masks will be mandatory if the school cannot implement the 1m SD.
caveat emptor wrote: » What does the new information mean in context of pandemic. We can control risk but assuming only droplet transmission is now 100% wrong. The measures taken in most parts of society haven’t addressed this yet. Will take time to mitigate but common sense regard windows and airflow should be applied. Don’t take my word for it. Here’s a different random guy on Internet who has a credential or two and is willing to share them with you.https://twitter.com/alinouriphd/status/1288838288065933313?s=21
Benimar wrote: » That poster is me. Can you show where I said I wanted absolute safety for them? I’ll even settle for any reference I made to ‘complete’, ‘total’ or anything similar. I’ll wait.
sideswipe wrote: » Can anybody point me in the right direction for home tutors at primary level? Had our 10 year old assessed having noticed she was struggling with maths over the lockdown- turns out she has dyscalculia. I don’t believe supports will be available/possible in schools with staff shortages when they reopen as support teachers will need to cover for any teachers missing with symptoms etc. In fact I think there’s a fair chance it could all go tits up again looking at what is happening around the rest of the world coupled with the reviews of the roadmap by teachers here!
