khalessi wrote: » Do you not think that teachers have already seen these diagrams? And can you see anything wrong with the diagram with 32 pupils and the SNA? WHat are you trying to show with it?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » khalessi wrote: » Tell me what wrong with it No you quoted it to prove or show something. What is it you are trying to prove. I can see what is wrong with it straight away.
khalessi wrote: » Tell me what wrong with it
khalessi wrote: » No you quoted it to prove or show something. What is it you are trying to prove. I can see what is wrong with it straight away.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » khalessi wrote: » 32 pupils, an sna and a work station fit in a 60m2 space. I said I my last post what it was. So tell whats wrong with it for you? I see you said that but what it? All teachers have seen it by this stage so why are you using it? Is it to show something if so what? You still havent said why you picked it
khalessi wrote: » 32 pupils, an sna and a work station fit in a 60m2 space. I said I my last post what it was. So tell whats wrong with it for you?
khalessi wrote: » Alrigghtythen wrote: » I see you said that but what it? All teachers have seen it by this stage so why are you using it? Is it to show something if so what? You still havent said why you picked it Of course teachers have seen it, the department issued it I m not fixing the quotes anymore
Alrigghtythen wrote: » I see you said that but what it? All teachers have seen it by this stage so why are you using it? Is it to show something if so what? You still havent said why you picked it
[Deleted User] wrote: » Any communication from NPHET on why schools should not open? They did not reduce 2m requirement, so as to be more confident in keeping cases low in advance of School reopening.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » khalessi wrote: » Of course teachers have seen it, the department issued it I m not fixing the quotes anymore You still didnt say why you quoted that picture apart from mentioning the dimesnions. HOw are they relevent?
khalessi wrote: » Of course teachers have seen it, the department issued it I m not fixing the quotes anymore
khalessi wrote: » Alrigghtythen wrote: » You still didnt say why you quoted that picture apart from mentioning the dimesnions. HOw are they relevent? Lol, did you miss the posts that were discussing fitting pupils in to a room? So tell us what's wrong?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » You still didnt say why you quoted that picture apart from mentioning the dimesnions. HOw are they relevent?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » khalessi wrote: » Lol, did you miss the posts that were discussing fitting pupils in to a room? Thank you, the reason it is an issue is social distancing is not practised properly in that diagram. If you were a teacher you would have spotted it. Therefore to use to show sd is wrong. The department got a few things wrong in those diagrams but it wasnt about getting it right it was about a pr exercise and optics
khalessi wrote: » Lol, did you miss the posts that were discussing fitting pupils in to a room?
khalessi wrote: » Alrigghtythen wrote: » Thank you, the reason it is an issue is social distancing is not practised properly in that diagram. If you were a teacher you would have spotted it. Therefore to use to show sd is wrong. The department got a few things wrong in those diagrams but it wasnt about getting it right it was about a pr exercise and optics They are pods of 4 pupils with min 1m between pods. Teacher is further than 2 m if sitting at desk or in front of it. 2 .1m between wall and student. Teacher has another area there to be more than 2 m away from students. Sounds like what the guidelines stated. What is it you find wrong?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Thank you, the reason it is an issue is social distancing is not practised properly in that diagram. If you were a teacher you would have spotted it. Therefore to use to show sd is wrong. The department got a few things wrong in those diagrams but it wasnt about getting it right it was about a pr exercise and optics
Alrigghtythen wrote: » khalessi wrote: » They are pods of 4 pupils with min 1m between pods. Teacher is further than 2 m if sitting at desk or in front of it. 2 .1m between wall and student. Teacher has another area there to be more than 2 m away from students. Sounds like what the guidelines stated. What is it you find wrong? Well it is a lovely picture but children already sit like that in class and it does not stop viruses spreading. More importantly the SNA is not afforded sd. But to an untrained eye it looks fine and that is what the DOE are hoping for.
khalessi wrote: » They are pods of 4 pupils with min 1m between pods. Teacher is further than 2 m if sitting at desk or in front of it. 2 .1m between wall and student. Teacher has another area there to be more than 2 m away from students. Sounds like what the guidelines stated. What is it you find wrong?
khalessi wrote: » Alrigghtythen wrote: » Well it is a lovely picture but children already sit like that in class and it does not stop viruses spreading. More importantly the SNA is not afforded sd. But to an untrained eye it looks fine and that is what the DOE are hoping for. Well if they already sit like that then the class is already set up ok. Lol, just because you dont have to move your desks doesnt means it wrong? That's bizarre. Sna can sit at the work station and work closer with the children for shorter periods Untrained eye, some teachers are having trouble organising a class, other people have been managing covid in companies with a lot more people and they are in their 6th and 7th month of managing it. September will be the teachers first month.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Well it is a lovely picture but children already sit like that in class and it does not stop viruses spreading. More importantly the SNA is not afforded sd. But to an untrained eye it looks fine and that is what the DOE are hoping for.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » khalessi wrote: » Well if they already sit like that then the class is already set up ok. Lol, just because you dont have to move your desks doesnt means it wrong? That's bizarre. Sna can sit at the work station and work closer with the children for shorter periods Untrained eye, some teachers are having trouble organising a class, other people have been managing covid in companies with a lot more people and they are in their 6th and 7th month of managing it. September will be the teachers first month. Show me one office that is operating with no face masks, no perspex dividers, and 33 people in a single, poor ventilated room that is less than 70m squared.
khalessi wrote: » Well if they already sit like that then the class is already set up ok. Lol, just because you dont have to move your desks doesnt means it wrong? That's bizarre. Sna can sit at the work station and work closer with the children for shorter periods Untrained eye, some teachers are having trouble organising a class, other people have been managing covid in companies with a lot more people and they are in their 6th and 7th month of managing it. September will be the teachers first month.
thenetherrealm wrote: » Show me one office that is operating with no face masks, no perspex dividers, and 33 people in a single, poor ventilated room that is less than 70m squared.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Well if they already sit like that then the class is already set up ok. Lol, just because you dont have to move your desks doesnt means it wrong? That's bizarre. Sna can sit at the work station and work closer with the children for shorter periods Untrained eye, some teachers are having trouble organising a class, other people have been managing covid in companies with a lot more people.
khalessi wrote: » Laugh all you want you did not know why the picture is unsuitable. If an SNA is sitting with a child they are there for long periods. The picture was fine pre covid but the SNAs I know are very upset about the fact they are not included in any plans and the only picture is them without sd and ppe not encouraged. Teachers will work this out it is what we do, but you have spent the evening explaining how to teach hygiene to 6 year olds and quoting pictures from a document that the teachers on this thread have read. Did it not cross your mind we do that everyday? Don't let them touch each others faces. It was a bit of a patronising post. Listen go into a classroom and see what we do. You then pick a diagram that teacher has already seen no doubt and you cant see why it is incorrect.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » If the complaint was they touch each others faces, why wouldn't the solution be to stop them. That's not patronising, that common sense. Look, we get some teachers are inflexible and have no interest in solutions
khalessi wrote: » So true, common sense that it should not need to be explained to a group of professionals who do that and more everyday, its like selling snow to eskimos. You obviously havent been in a classroom especially a junior infants or senior infants class as described by Hook or by Crook. You would not realise the amount and variety of stuff we teach and do that is not on the curriculum and how often we repeat it. Just because it was mentioned does not mean the teacher never thought to ask jimmy not to do it, he was simply replying to your list from the guidelines showing how impractical the list is. Upto 3rd class corks are put in the boys toilets for them to aim at, otherwise they urinate all over the place. That is one of many issues dealt with along with face touching but we deal with that and discuss it and repeatedly remind them not to do along with a million other things, which have nothing to do with academics. Most teachers are very flexible as it is the nature of the job, you cannot work with children and not be flexible. The basic fact is the plan has major flaws, seems like they had nothing then threw it together, they didn't consult with teachers, no teacher I know filled out a survey apart from the VFT survey last week. If they had have consulted sooner and worked on the plan a few months ago it could have been better. But no plan is perfect and we will find workarounds, there was a lot that should have been included but it should have definitely included masks for staff and optional for children. Some children were wearing them in March in school as they felt happier. It is a worry though that they think it is ok to play around with schools and not apply the same guidelines that have appeared in other sectors.
combat14 wrote: » can teachers refuse to teach in a class room if it is not safe to do so .........
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » If the guidelines aren't being followed well then that's a whole other story and they have the same option as everyone else to make a complaint to the HSA.
Boggles wrote: » And if the guidelines can't be followed?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I see "where possible" mentioned quite a bit in the plan so they've got that aspect covered.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I see "where possible" and "where practical" mentioned quite a bit in the plan so they've got that aspect covered.
downthemiddle wrote: » Can you suggest what might go wrong when it’s not practical or possible?
caveat emptor wrote: » I find it best to not feed the trolls. Some of us have tried to forewarn on various things that WILL go wrong. Not maybe. In all likelihood this will be a car crash. So I'll take my own advice. I might pop back in to give comment on how the teachers unions do in the oireachtas committee they'll surely be invited to like the nurses. There is a difference this time though. The science has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that it is spreads via airborne transmission. Not taking that into account and expecting people and children to risk their lives will be more costly with the various legal suits coming down the tracks. Best of luck everyone. Stay safe.
khalessi wrote: » not bothering to notice the work that went into keeping little Jimmy or karen safe.
