Quantum Erasure wrote: » Just means the difference between deaths in single figures per week and somewhere in the hundreds, and if we don't increase other restrictions when that happens, they will stay at that level for longer than they did the first time round.
Arghus wrote: » But if you're arguing that masks are useful for suppressing the disease when cases are rising in the community then it stands to reason that masks are also useful at containing the spread while it's also at low levels in the community. The curve wasn't flattened due to mask wearing, but it was due to other measures, but when you relax/remove those other measures then masks become more important.
Assetbacked wrote: » Well, they are useful at containing the spread so putting guidance in place that people should consider wearing them where social distancing is difficult is the prudent approach. The mandatory element in the current environment is what I take issue with.
Assetbacked wrote: » I'm sorry but I have to keep coming back to this point about how the virus is not very harmful at all to the under 65s and pretty much irrelevant for the under 45s (see latest data screenshotted backing this claim up). There is no indication it will come back without masks being widely used as the curve was not flattened in the first place due to mask wearing. Now is not the time to make masks mandatory, maybe if we started to lose control of community transmission then it could be considered more seriously.
dwayneshintzy wrote: » I find it absolutely mental that people are saying we shouldn't use preventative measures (masks being one), unless things get bad again.
Hannibal36 wrote: » Freedom is the reason, when society is corrupt and unfairly weighted towards the rich, why should a poor healthy man wear a mask to protect some elderly richer people, that he doesn't know or care about? He gets nothing from these people, they are not his responsibility and it's a massive government overreach to try and force this. Until we reach a utopian society with no poor people then you have no right to ask somebody with nothing to now give up their fresh air, not enough with the massive wealth gaps that exist now and grows,fresh air isn't even free anymore to the poor man.
dwayneshintzy wrote: » Didn't realise that all elderly and immune-compromised people in Ireland were rich......
Hannibal36 wrote: » I guess a middle class person would take that out of it, but it's not really relevant to my point. People are just naive and I gotta live with that but even on the boards here it's not hard to see that this is a class virus. Only middle class and upper middle class can see a dangerous virus, some very very dim poor people might go along with u middle and upper middle,but any poor person with a half a brain knows a work when they see it.
dwayneshintzy wrote: » So what about my post made you think I'm middle class? What's my job, mate? What's my parents jobs? You're great at making assumptions about people.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Right.. You wear masks to protect those around you. And you're making the argument that poor people can't be expected to wear masks just to protect the rich. Since when are these poor people going to dinner parties with rich people? You'd think that maybe a poor healthy man might see the benefit of wearing a mask to protect his poor parents. You have to be a dumb fưcker to not wear one because Lord Henry over in his stables might somehow be protected by your actions.
Hannibal36 wrote: » But it's only Lord Henry's and his ilk that are pushing it here in boards, you are either making money from this with a business getting some of that covid bond money or like staying at home and getting paid and if you fall into neither of them categories and still believe in a virus that BLM protesters are immune to then the only fool is yourself.
xhomelezz wrote: » Tin foil hat section is right behind the corner
Hannibal36 wrote: » At the end of the day man it doesn't matter your past or your parents jobs your class is where you are now, where you are at now shapes your thinking. And like It your not you clearly have to be middle class and above, it might as well be tattooed on your forehead as is the same for any person who buys up a lot of inconsistencies one after another from the government, but life is so good for you you right now or good enough so that you block out clear and obvious evidence right in front of your nose, cognitive dissonance my man.
dwayneshintzy wrote: » Don't live in Ireland right now. Would never in a million years vote for Fianna Fail or Fine Gael. Where is the cognitive dissonance? I've talked about masks. You've made a bizarre claim that masks are only for middle and upper class people, somehow they discriminate against the poor and working class. This just doesn't make any logical sense.
Hannibal36 wrote: » Haha there should be a word for you guys that are the first to be bring the tin foil hat to the party in any Debate,desperate for a like huh. It's even a poor use of it my man, where is the Conspiracy? That rich people are making hay from this? The naive middle are in this morning that's for Sure, easy life you have had my man, way too easy.
Hannibal36 wrote: » This is like Chinese whispers, I didn't say they discriminated but the reality is if you take a poll, middle and upper right class are In support of them and lower classes are not. It's become very clearly drawn on class lines it's the same in the states, so my question is again I can phrase it different why should poor people wear masks they don't want or their relations don't want to, so they are only going to be wearing masks because the richer people want them to.
Hannibal36 wrote: » It's become very clearly drawn on class lines it's the same in the states, so my question is again I can phrase it different why should poor people wear masks that richer people are trying to force them to wear, share some of your money first before you ask poor people to be as stupid as you.
Assetbacked wrote: » The reason to wear masks is to assist with containing the spread when it is rising (with other measures including hygiene, social distancing, eating healthy and exercising) we are at astonishingly low levels in the community for 2 months now, having "effectively extinguished" the virus in the community. Our hospitals, even with bulked up capacity, have 15/16 people "with" covid in them so the resources are there to deal with a few weeks of cases increasing rapidly again. In this context, there is no need to make masks mandatory now. Do yourself a favour and read the data in the attachment, then try to hold off hammering the keyboard.
xhomelezz wrote: » Still don't understand what classes has to do with wearing masks. Of course some people making bucks out of covid, not naive. My easy life? Hmm yeah, full time job and single parent to two kids for last 7+ years. Yeah easy life for sure. You might dust off your crystal ball, doesn't work properly.
Hannibal36 wrote: » Class has got to do with it because the disagreement on wearing and not wearing is dividing exactly down class lines here and elsewhere. As for your life it is not my fault life has skewed your priorities and made you believe yourself to be a victim,the movies tend to do that with single parents it was the drive to make them cool. Reality is two children are a blessing and you are lucky to have them,lots of people far far worse off than you believe me and you don't have to do it while putting up with an interfering abusive partner,you are blessed you just don't realise it,but suffering you are not.Working hard maybe,but you are living,spare a thought for the homeless who dreamt of having kids like you and a job.
dwayneshintzy wrote: » You're assigning class status to posters and then claiming it as your "proof", which is patently ridiculous. Have you an actual link to back up what you're saying here? Mask usage in many East Asian countries is over 95%, and I can assure you that the working class people make up more than 5% of the population in these countries. Is there also the divide between upper/middle and working class people here? If not, how come?
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