lulublue22 wrote: » Both July provision and summer camps for Deis have been around for a long time. Even for DEIS I’ve never seen ratio of 1:15 and for July provision max I’ve seen is 1: 6 not including SNA support. So 15 seems extraordinarily high for July provision. ETA not all children qualify for July Provision- criteria has been widened this year but it is for children with special / additional needs and those from DEIS schools. In case people are wondering why their school hasn’t signed up.
lulublue22 wrote: » Sitting in the hairdressers topic of conversation lazy ass teachers who don’t want to go back in Sep and who are insisting that no uniform be worn and clothes washed daily. Think Leo et al have set teachers up well - Easy to blame fall guys
Boggles wrote: » Yip, nice little hand grenade thrown in at the end.
lulublue22 wrote: » We find sub cover very difficult as is
The scale of the problem facing primary schools can be gauged by the 47,312 sub days worked by 1,240 retired primary teachers in 2018/19 - up from 33,093/1,003 in 2017/18 and 5,259/302 in 2013/14.
lulublue22 wrote: » That stood out to me too. I think anyone who has been teaching a while will understand the subtext to Leo’s comment ��
Boggles wrote: » But Leo gave you the answer to all these problems yesterday. Basically get fúcking on with it. And if can't you are to blame.
khalessi wrote: » This was on another thread. Who called the Bank Holiday weekend for an announcement? WHere are they going to get enhanced supervision and substitution cover? Is that SET, we find it hard enough as it is to get subs
grind gremlin wrote: » I completely agree with this post, unfortunately. How will Learning Support or Resource teaching continue if children cannot be mixed from different pods / bubbles. In situations where children have ‘shared access’ to an SNA, which child gets priority? Surely it negates the idea of pods / bubbles if a staff member is moving between classes and groups. What about the students that need frequent movement breaks? I’m guessing the idea of in-class aerobic activity will be discouraged from an infection control point of view (too much heavy breathing). Our children will have to sit for the day, elbow room elbow with their classmates. Within each class there are at risk pupils. There are also children from families where parents are frontline workers and possibly more likely to be exposed to the virus (1/3 of our cases have been front line workers). I really want to get back to ‘normal’ but September most definitely not be normal. The health and safety of our children, their families and our teaching and ancillary school staff are no longer a priority as our government worries about what the neighbours might think... Where exactly are schools supposed to find a place to ‘isolate’ students with symptoms? What happens if there’s more than one student? Who supervises them? The works many schools will require will need Architects, planning permission and fire certs..... hard to do that on a limited budget and with 5 weeks to complete it.
Mr Varadkar also said he had "every confidence" that teachers will rise to the challenge and make sure schools are open at the beginning of the new school year.
mirrorwall14 wrote: » Irish times article https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/education/plan-to-fully-reopen-schools-at-the-end-of-august-to-be-unveiled-1.4312182%3fmode=amp The Government intends to open schools fully at the end of August and will unveil a plan in the coming days aimed at allowing all pupils to return to class safely. Tens of millions of euro will be made available to schools to fund structural alterations to classrooms and improve bathrooms for hand-washing, along with daily cleaning and hygiene routines, it is understood. In addition, enhanced supervision and substitution will be provided to cover an expected increase in teacher absences. This is in light of official guidance that states teachers with any symptoms should stay away from the classroom. Taoiseach Micheál Martin is to meet Minister for Education Norma Foley on Friday morning at the Department of Education to discuss the plans. It is expected the plan will be brought to Cabinet for approval early next week and published afterwards. ... Detailed guidelines will be issued to schools next week with templates on safe classroom layouts and protocols for a Covid-19 outbreak. Large quantities of hand sanitiser and personal protective equipment are being contracted centrally and will be distributed to schools.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I'd say getting parents back to work would be one of the many beneficial side affects of schools opening but hardly the main objective.
Boggles wrote: » It's pretty apparent at this moment in time listening to what the politicians are saying and more importantly what they are not saying that there is no nuanced plan focused solely on children's education going forward. When the government talk about getting children back to school being the most important objective, that is fúck all to do with the educational well being of the children and all to do with getting the parents back to work. So in all likely hood you will see smaller children having a full return, with some wishy washy bubble like advice, the older kids will go part time with the hope being there is still enough parents working from home to cater for them and if not the parents will take the chance and leave them at home and shuffle back to work. Teachers, support staff and administration staff will be just told get on with it, teach faster, harder and make the kids learn with far less. Kids who cannot return because they are high risk or have health issues, will not be getting anything resembling a formal education this school year.
is_that_so wrote: » A number of people I know will be drifting into office returns from next month, with 40% rolling numbers or so the aim by October.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » The longer this goes on, the more difficult it is going to be for any child to return to education in a proper way. It's already going to be very hard to get them back into the swing of it. I'd say getting parents back to work would be one of the many beneficial side affects of schools opening but hardly the main objective. What's the problem with parents getting back to work anyway? Many of them haven't stopped working you know. We can't all stay at home indefinitely, someone has to pay for all of this and that means getting as many as possible back into the workforce.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » The longer this goes on, the more difficult it is going to be for any child to return to education in a proper way. It's already going to be very hard to get them back into the swing of it. I'd say getting parents back to work would be one of the many beneficial side affects of schools opening but hardly the main objective. What's the problem with parents getting back to work anyway? We can't all stay at home indefinitely, someone has to pay for all of this and that means getting as many as possible back into the workforce.
Wanderer78 wrote: » This is a very dynamic situation, we ve never experienced it before, so it ll change a lot, and quickly, our government is under a lot of pressure to get things going again, but obviously this is extremely risky
Boggles wrote: » When the government talk about getting children back to school being the most important objective, that is fúck all to do with the educational well being of the children and all to do with getting the parents back to work.
Millem wrote: » It’s called the summer provision this year. It is school based. Not all schools are running it. Mine hasn’t signed up. If school hasn’t signed up the student can apply for the home based July provision which is 1:1.
morebabies wrote: » Does anyone else find it strange that a week ago there were headlines about a possible return to Phase 2 due to rising numbers of cases, and now we are waiting for the key announcement on return to schools, everything has magically "stabilised" again ..?
mirrorwall14 wrote: » Ratio is 1:12 asfaik. Same as creche afterschool services
Blazer wrote: » Kids, the special needs and mentally ill don't vote so politicians don't give a **** about them. The first thing to be cut in 2008 at the start of the recession was money for special needs and mentally ill. Hell I remember I think it was 2010 and it was the toughest budget to impact on people and it only hit me for about €400. I was a single lad. The guy next to me with 2 children was hit for €1500 as were most families. How the hell was that fair? Even I was disgusted by it. So don't ever forget and people shouldn't with how FF/FG have treated children, mentally ill and women in this country is that they don't give a damn about you. Its all about the money.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Our country does not prioritise kids, if anything this whole fiasco has shown exactly how high up (or low down in this case) on the list children are as a priority. Eye opening I'm sure for anyone who didn't know that before, and its not even over yet. Children have been treated as pariahs from the minute this started, disgraceful and I'm ashamed of how much they've been let down. People don't need holidays, again policy makers and politicians out of touch as always.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Doesn't sound like any July provision that I'm aware of.
