emmaro wrote: » Sorry but the number of posts on various social media/actual people I know in other professions bragging about how they've outsmarted the tracker or whatever on their laptop to make it seem like they're still working by automatically moving the mouse etc. is staggering. But people act like it was only teachers slacking. I can only speak for myself and my colleagues, but we worked much longer hours than when we were not working from home. I worked in the private sector for years before becoming a secondary school teacher. I prefer teaching and it provides me with much more job satisfaction, but these last few months have made me want to go back to my previous job. I worked much longer than I normally would as I had to plan, create, edit videos for my two subjects and seven different class groups. I was doing Zoom classes during normal school hours, so creating the resources was done usually between 5-11pm. My friends from my old job were doing the exact same thing as in the office, just from home. Nothing changed. I am so tired of people saying I shouldn't be paid for working from home. No one says this about other professions when all professions have people who are slackers. We are also crucified for wanting a safe work environment like everyone else is getting (protection screens etc.)
Multipass wrote: » What ruins it are the students (and parents) crying unfair, because they supposedly have no access to the internet, the reality being that their kids couldn’t be bothered. And they’re the same people who will kill online learning for everyone. You shouldn’t have to hold back the education of the willing because of that kind of carry on. Personal responsibility should come into it (I’m talking about teenagers here, not primary)
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » om. The exact same thing could also be said about the teachers who thought the occasional email counted as doing their job.
khalessi wrote: » As unsatisfactory as you found that email, the teacher still performed their job so would not be considered for covid payment. Who is going to say they didn't do their job?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Contrary to what another poster said, kids don't always do what they are told. That includes engaging online with school.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » It will be a completely different story by the time schools open back up. Teachers aren't going to be 'working' from home indefinitely. Do you really consider one email a week performing your job? That's embarrassing. If only online learning had been a success, then maybe it would be considered seriously as a longer term solution. Do you think parents and students have no recourse if a teacher isn't doing what they are being paid to do?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Anyone who's not bothered wouldn't have been bothered even if they were sitting in the classroom.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » So it's the fault of teenagers and their parents? They ruined online learning? Anyone who's not bothered wouldn't have been bothered even if they were sitting in the classroom. The exact same thing could also be said about the teachers who thought the occasional email counted as doing their job. The difference being teachers are adults being paid to do a job whereas teenage slackers will always be teenage slackers until they hopefully mature. Contrary to what another poster said, kids don't always do what they are told. That includes engaging online with school.
Multipass wrote: » I agree, some teachers did work hard and kept in touch with their students. And at the same time some students worked really hard and engaged with everything they could. What ruins it are the students (and parents) crying unfair, because they supposedly have no access to the internet, the reality being that their kids couldn’t be bothered. And they’re the same people who will kill online learning for everyone. You shouldn’t have to hold back the education of the willing because of that kind of carry on. Personal responsibility should come into it (I’m talking about teenagers here, not primary)
wirelessdude01 wrote: » In my experience that isn't true. I was very surprised at some of the parents in my class who told kids not to bother with the school work.
jlm29 wrote: » Some families genuinely do have rubbish internet. They have multiple children, limited devices, and quite possibly one or two adults working from home. Sometimes the line between valid reason and excuse is very fine
mirrorwall14 wrote: » I’d have to agree but I’m aware in many cases it was simply that the parents were completely and utterly swamped themselves. I include my own kids in that, I was sinking in work for school and I ended up emailing my sons teacher and saying thank you so much for the work and the videos and the padlets etc but that I simply couldn’t do it and I would catch up when things were quieter. Which I did. But others simply haven’t been able to
lulublue22 wrote: » Most definitely - online teaching is not without it’s limitations and teachers too fell into that bracket of wfh with multiple children, limited devices etc
Deleted User wrote: » Inevitable, key difference
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » We are discussing September. If the schools remain closed (which they won't) and teachers can't work from home (online learning at this stage should only reserved for local school closures in the event of cases) then yes teachers will find themselves eligible to apply for Covid payment.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Watching the news and huge money being thrown at business . Not a single word about any money for schools . It is so frustrating .
khalessi wrote: » Was thinking the same, such a lot of talking and no mention of schools
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Announcement is coming tomorrow. Oh and the uniform rumour is BS, uniforms will be required as per the norm.
downthemiddle wrote: » 75 million for schools.
khalessi wrote: » I never said anything about uniforms but sure thanks for the info.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Announcement is coming tomorrow. Oh and the uniform rumour is BS, uniforms will be required as per the norm. Provided the virus rates remain as they are now then green light for schools to reopen end of August. Blended learning is not on the table as an option (except for local closures, which will be rare due to class bubbles). Schools will not close unless there's a significant cluster.
mirrorwall14 wrote: » Source? Open fully without any social distancing??
"It is essential, provided that the virus stays suppressed, that schools open and that parents have that assurance," he said. "And that children get back to education and get back to their social and educational development, which is so crucial." However, Mr Varadkar warned that it will not be business as usual. He urged people "bear with" the Government over the next couple of days or weeks while a plan for reopening schools is put in place. Mr Varadkar also said he had "every confidence" that teachers will rise to the challenge and make sure schools are open at the beginning of the new school year.
khalessi wrote: » Doesn't seem a lot considering what has to be done but hey ho, we are good at making silk from a pigs ear.
