wirelessdude01 wrote: » By whom? Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere except on here. None of my teacher friends have heard it. Asked in our staff WhatsApp and principal hadn't heard about it either.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Bless your imagination. Who said anything about teachers being fired because I certainly didn't? Parents will have a voice in determining whether online learning is going to be a viable contingency. Covid payment doesn't equal losing your job, it just means that due to covid you can't attend your workplace have no option to work from home. Parents voices will be very clear on the online learning alternative.
Murple wrote: » You are likely in an area served by DEIS schools if you are in Dublin and surrounded by schools where the largest clsss size in any of them is 24. The additional teachers that are in your child's class from time to time are likely SET who are probably in the room for an hour a day or less and with other classes, groups or working 1:1 the rest of the day. DEIS schools have a higher quota of SET as well. One fifth of children are in classes of 30 or more. 6 classes have more than 40 pupils including 2 in Galway and one in Donegal with 42 pupils. The school with the highest average class size is in Glasnevin in Dublin with 31.9 pupils across 8 classrooms. 25% of pupils in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown area are in classes of 30+. In Wicklow- 20.3%. Kildare- 19.1%. Westmeath- 23.5%. Note these are percentages for classes above 30 pupils. It doesn't include those with 29 or 28 pupils. I work in a city suburb- definitely not rural. Any of the schools within a 5 minute drive has classes of 28-32 with the exception of a DEIS school which has 20-24 per class and a COI school which has split classes with each teacher teaching 2 class levels so roughly 24-26 per classroom.
lulublue22 wrote: » I’m a bit on the fence- good news that funding available. Questions - will schools have to jump through the usual hoops to apply. How long before it’s processed and will the 3 tender rule be wavered ? Also some amount of work in a relatively short period of time.
Icantthinkof1 wrote: » For the teachers on here; what would you like to see happen in your school in order to ensure a safe (as reasonably possible) return to work in September?
Lillyfae wrote: » https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/grants-supports-and-incentives-whats-in-the-july-stimulus-plan-1012081.html Seems funding can be applied for under an existing scheme:
Deeec wrote: » I agree with fringegirl. Teachers who cannot do their job due to covid be it in the classroom or from home should be placed on the covid payment. Can I ask teachers are you happy to be working your ass off while other teachers do nothing. Is that fair to you?
grind gremlin wrote: » I worry for the quality of teaching in September if we are constantly trying to stop 30 kids from physically interacting with each other and sharing items and resources...
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Let's get this straight, it is impossible for young children to social distance, while classrooms might need to be set up for distancing the reality is that kids will do what they do. Even teens have a hard time doing it and they are aware of the reasons for the concept. Certainly in primary schools you'll be wasting your time and just making yourself hoarse.
combat14 wrote: » just seen today that a second building site in Dublin has at least one case of covid 19. workplace has been shut down for deep clean.reports today that schools wont be automatically shut down if there are covid cases amongst staff and students... why is there one set of safety rules for building sites and Tds in their 50,000 euro a day 2000 seater convention centre and different rules for the safety of students and teachers? it doesn't make sense? if it is not safe for TDs to return to the Dail why should schools reopen? looks like distance blended learning is the way to go for now ....
FishOnABike wrote: » I'm surprised thus is not being raised as more of an issue. If public health guidelines are watered down for primary and secondary schools because they're too difficult to do where does this leave principals, members of the board of management, the Department of Education and Skills, and the Department of Health when it comes to liability for their decisions. Given the mounting evidence of transmission in school environments applying any less standards than apply in other workplaces or in the recently published third level and further education guidelines, could be considered negligent. Are our schools, principals, members of boards of management, the Department of Education and Skills, and the Department of Health prepared for a possible onslaught of civil cases for negligence should they apply any lower standards in schools than elsewhere. If I was a parent representative on the board of management I'd be resigning my position if any lower standards were being applied in schools than elsewhere.
Blondini wrote: » As a teacher, I think the openings should be pushed back until October anyway to compensate for all the extra hard work I did grading the Leaving Cert. I didn't get my full three months holidays this year.
Blondini wrote: » Thanks. Also, some of those long days I had to work past 3.55PM. No one thinks of these hardships when they they give out about the teachers. Thanks again.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Majority of kids will do what they are told to do.
lulublue22 wrote: » I can only speak for myself - I love my job and take a great amount of pride in what I do. In relation to others I don’t tend to focus on what others do or don’t do. Be that in the teaching profession or any other. I’d have no interest in doing my job with a what is x doing. Am I doing more than them that’s not fair attitude.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I take it you dont have kids
jrosen wrote: » I could apply that argument to everything. If its not safe for TD's then how is it safe for supermarket workers, hair dressers, serving staff in restaurants. None of whom earn a lot an typically have zero benefits.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Who says I don't have children? And you ain't a teacher.
mcsean2163 wrote: » Many thanks Murple for the detailed reply. Taking another angle, we could say 80% of classes have less than 30 children per class. We could draw a line in the sans, i.e. 29 and no more. The other schools are then prioritized and funding delivered to assist the 20% in the high density classes to reduce their class sizes. I'd be happy to promote that and write to government etc with that in mind. It would probably be a good thing too even after covid19 finishes What do you think, would that be of any help?
Icantthinkof1 wrote: » @grind gremlin and @lulublue22 To be fair what you’ve listed seems very reasonable Would it help if each child came to school with their own kits including hand sanitisers, towels and toilet paper? My eldest child is 14 and I definitely remember a time the school requested all children would be sent to school with these (I can’t remember why it was requested at the time) Although monitoring that each child uses their sanitisers properly would probably take up so much time I plan to put zoono hand sanitiser (sanitiser lasts up to 24hrs and will stay on even after regular hand washing) on my younger children before they go out the door as I couldn’t trust them to wash/ sanitise their hands properly in school. Agreed as a parent I would feel it would be safer for my children to be in classrooms of 15 rather than 30 even if it meant them only returning to school for 1/2 the time
Deeec wrote: » This is good news but how is this work to buildings going to be done before September. They should have had this funding available in June.
downthemiddle wrote: » The minor works grant came out last November and has been spent by most schools.
€5,500 basic grant plus €18.50 per mainstream pupil and €74 per special needs pupil on the rolls on the 30th September of the year prior to the issue of the grant. (The €74 rate applies to a special needs pupil attending a special school or attending a special class attached to a mainstream school); In the future the grant will be paid each school year in either December or January.
Shoddy journalism.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Kids will do what they're told is your answer to the obvious issues with social distancing where children are concerned
[Deleted User] wrote: » Because the unions appear to be focused on finding problems not solutions
Deeec wrote: » I can tell you are a good conscientious teacher by your posts and you are right not to worry what others are doing. For the last few months the taxpayer is paying the teachers who haven't stepped up to the mark ( I do admit though that their lack of work could be due to their principles decisions). In any other profession this wouldn't be tolerated. I think it is very unfair to the excellent hard-working teachers we do have - I would prefer to see being paid more being honest. I have never seen a bad teacher lose their job
wirelessdude01 wrote: » How has the whole no uniform thing become gospel?
