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Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

Mrcaramelchoc

Are you traveling outside of Ireland in the next few weeks?will you go now because the coronavirus is getting worse or will you cancel?
Im due to go to prague in 2 weeks and i don't know if i should?

Mod: It has been suggested to merge this with the main Corona thread, but I think a dedicated thread about travel has merit. If it becomes too much like the main thread, I'll just merge the two.

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lawrencesummers

I presume if you travel to any country not on the “green list” and you tie your shoelaces together upon return that will satisfy the arbitrary need to “restrict your movements upon return”.

What a joke.

GazzaL

I know a fella in the North who was in England last week. He's freely traveling around the Republic now. If you need/want to go somewhere not on the green list, you just have to take a detour.

facehugger99

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I presume if you travel to any country not on the “green list” and you tie your shoelaces together upon return that will satisfy the arbitrary need to “restrict your movements upon return”.

What a joke.

You're only going to be advised to tie your shoelaces together.

As I predicted, there is no difference between travel to a country on or off the list other than having to fill in a form - wow - I think I'll take the extra 5 minute hit there rather than miss my 2-weeks in the sun

:)

Best of luck to the summer student they'll task with phoning me up to check up on me.

HalloweenJack

Another thought that occurred to me: There are thousands of people who live in Spain and work in Gibraltar, not to mention loads of Gibraltarians who go shopping or go out on the Spanish side. There's a lot of intermingling between people from both sides every single day.

If Spain is deemed unsafe, how can they consider Gibraltar to be safe? Do they actually know what they are talking about?

lawrencesummers

Also what’s the point in putting a country on the green list unless there are direct flights to it?

yoshimitsu

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Another thought that occurred to me: There are thousands of people who live in Spain and work in Gibraltar, not to mention loads of Gibraltarians who go shopping or go out on the Spanish side. There's a lot of intermingling between people from both sides every single day.

If Spain is deemed unsafe, how can they consider Gibraltar to be safe? Do they actually know what they are talking about?

Good point... Another example that this list was built up with little or no common sense. The same argument works for San Marino... 30k inhabitants City-state right smack in the middle of the Emilia-Romagna region (currently the region with the highest infection rate in Italy btw). There is no way of traveling to San Marino without landing in Bologna airport, the largest city in Emilia-Romagna

But you could extend the argument to many other countries on the green list: you allow travel to Norway and you allow danish to travel here without isolation... well Norway allows travel to and from Spain, France, Portugal etc. so effectively the people that you meet there and that come here could have been in contact with people you are trying to limit contact with.
Germany and Netherlands off the list and they have very close levels to Ireland and very pragmatic limitations of not traveling to specific regions where there have been flare ups like catalunya and Galicia rather than a blanket restriction.
It took them so long to come up with this and have mess it up just to try to do something different than the rest of the EU

almostover

GazzaL wrote: »

I know a fella in the North who was in England last week. He's freely traveling around the Republic now. If you need/want to go somewhere not on the green list, you just have to take a detour.

The mental gymnastics going on on this thread are beyond belief. People will do anything to justify ignoring the public health advice. Don't worry yourself about how you can circumvent the guidlines or how others are doing so. We're being given advice from public health experts to travel only to countries on the green list, maybe pay some heed to that advice?

almostover

facehugger99 wrote: »

You're only going to be advised to tie your shoelaces together.

As I predicted, there is no difference between travel to a country on or off the list other than having to fill in a form - wow - I think I'll take the extra 5 minute hit there rather than miss my 2-weeks in the sun :)

Best of luck to the summer student they'll task with phoning me up to check up on me.

Justify your holiday to yourself whatever way you want. Theres no ban on travel, never was. We're just being asked to follow guidlines to prevent the spread of a pandemic in our country. But your needs are greater, we've established that. You're even willing to bully students over the phone to prove that.

Living Off The Splash

https://samchui.com/2020/04/05/12-scariest-airports-in-the-world/#.XxfhyG5Fw2w

Has Ryanair also started flights to Greenland yet?

facehugger99

almostover wrote: »

Justify your holiday to yourself whatever way you want. Theres no ban on travel, never was. We're just being asked to follow guidlines to prevent the spread of a pandemic in our country. But your needs are greater, we've established that. You're even willing to bully students over the phone to prove that.

Good finger wag - impressive form, nice tempo.

RebelButtMunch

How come Denmark isn't on that list?

pjohnson

facehugger99 wrote: »

You're only going to be advised to tie your shoelaces together.

As I predicted, there is no difference between travel to a country on or off the list other than having to fill in a form - wow - I think I'll take the extra 5 minute hit there rather than miss my 2-weeks in the sun :)

Best of luck to the summer student they'll task with phoning me up to check up on me.

Wouldnt expect anything else from likes of you and your ilk

Remember not to whinge if pubs stay shut now and remember your hols hun! Naturally its not gunna be your fault of course.

[Deleted User]

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Also places like around Naples and Sicily never had many infections.
In addition, most holidays in Italy are more genteel than the Ibiza uncovered type carry-on that you get in Spain.

You have just done it yourself. Most holidays in Spain aren't Ibiza.

[Deleted User]

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

https://samchui.com/2020/04/05/12-scariest-airports-in-the-world/#.XxfhyG5Fw2w

Has Ryanair also started flights to Greenland yet?

If they offered Ryanair prices to Greenland I would probable go. Little too do there but it's on my list of destinations. Can't justify the cost though

[Deleted User]

almostover wrote: »

HIV? You'd have to share used syringe needles or have sex with your co workers to transmit HIV. Not quite an apples with apples comparison. I'm not in any bunker, merely explaining the situation with my employer which I'm glad of during the current pandemic. Sorry to hear about your grandfather.

But I could have sex with that person at the Christmas party could I not? Or they could be cut and require medical aid. In my line of work that happens.

And that's the point I'm making. Companies take reasonable on site measures. They don't intrude into private lives.

Micky 32

acequion wrote: »

I'm not even remotely interested in your anecdotal evidence. I want official evidence of tourists or returning Irish people recently entering the country with Covid. Because as many posters will have pointed out if you care to read the thread and think more deeply about this and indeed look around you [ Ballybunion beach thronged this weekend] you might see that holidaying in Ireland is potentially more risky than a quiet vacation somewhere abroad.

Therefore it would be useful to know the source of the daily infections.

I find it bizarre many posters who’ll wag their fingers at people going abroad to low infected areas but will be ok about Dubs touring around Ireland despite Dublins infection figures aren’t very good last few days.

I’d rather a foreign tourist from a low infection country visiting my town than a Dub visiting my town right now.

facehugger99

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’d rather a foreign tourist from a low infection country visiting my town than a Dub visiting my town right now.

Agreed, but that's nothing to do with Covid.

Wallander

dartboardio wrote: »

All these people on Facebook 'oh ma gawdd the gubberment r so stupid why is Italy on de list'

Em, read the news people.

Italy WAS the epicentre at the start of the European cases. Now they are doing fantastic. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be able to travel there.

That's the one positive from the green list, despite its obvious limitations. Shows just how ill-informed the online CLOSE THE BORDERS! brigade are. Perhaps even some of our esteemed medical experts will be checking Wikipedia this morning. When these people expect huge hordes of Italian tourists to arrive but small numbers come with no-doubt impeccable social distancing and mask wearing, and there is zero impact on our infection figures, the government could even become a little more generous...

ninebeanrows

So if our covid level drops does the green list shrink as a result

I'd like to know are they using below 5 per 100k 14 day average as the measure or simply any country with a lower number than us.

Micky 32

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

So if our covid level drops does the green list shrink as a result

I'd like to know are they using below 5 per 100k 14 day average as the measure or simply any country with a lower number than us.

You can be sure it will shrink. However i think we have bottomed out with our infections. If we don’t get a resurgence the figures won’t get any lower and we’ll hover at current figures until the vaccine arrives.

[Deleted User]

Wallander wrote: »

That's the one positive from the green list, despite its obvious limitations. Shows just how ill-informed the online CLOSE THE BORDERS! brigade are. Perhaps even some of our esteemed medical experts will be checking Wikipedia this morning. When these people expect huge hordes of Italian tourists to arrive but small numbers come with no-doubt impeccable social distancing and mask wearing, and there is zero impact on our infection figures, the government could even become a little more generous...

It’s positive that Simon coveney this morning on pat kenny made it clear that nothing is going to change re. the restriction of movement requirement, other than the form being electronic, and that the government have not been pressured by those wanting the border closed or a stricter quarantine

fawlty682

Everyone should make up their own minds. Holiday in Ireland is more expensive this year beecause a pint costs €5 + €9 for food = €14 this year and even Hotel bars are not open which is ridiculous. Therefore, out all day in dodgy weather in overpriced accommodation and bed early, it’s stay in house or fly to sun really.

paw patrol

good to see the helpline for the DFA regarding travel isn't open on a weds morning. :rolleyes:

Can somebody give me a quick answer?
Is Northern Ireland considered part of the unrestricted travel within Phase 3?

Plumbthedepths

paw patrol wrote: »

good to see the helpline for the DFA regarding travel isn't open on a weds morning. :rolleyes:

Can somebody give me a quick answer?
Is Northern Ireland considered part of the unrestricted travel within Phase 3?

As of the 29th of June you can travel anywhere on the island of Ireland without restrictions.

irishguitarlad

Stephen Gifted Geophysics wrote: »

Portugal has >60 cases per 100,000 people over the past 14 days, Lisbon in particular had >120. Ireland has <5.

Portugal is a big country, blanket banning entire countries is silly. Should go by region, some Irish people going on about France, Spain and Portugal as if they were the size of North Kerry.

paw patrol

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As of the 29th of June you can travel anywhere on the island of Ireland without restrictions.

I thought this , was hard to find that exact wording.
Thanks !

facehugger99

fawlty682 wrote: »

Everyone should make up their own minds. Holiday in Ireland is more expensive this year beecause a pint costs €5 + €9 for food = €14 this year and even Hotel bars are not open which is ridiculous. Therefore, out all day in dodgy weather in overpriced accommodation and bed early, it’s stay in house or fly to sun really.

I've stayed in a couple of hotels in the last couple of weeks and bars have been open in both - no requirement to order food.

Tenzor07

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Portugal is a big country, blanket banning entire countries is silly. Should go by region, some Irish people going on about France, Spain and Portugal as if they were the size of North Kerry.

Same with Germany, 83 million people, yet you’re not “allowed” to travel.
Berlin for example has almost the same population as Ireland, and lower infection rates.
Yet you can travel to Italy!

OldRio

facehugger99 wrote: »

I've stayed in a couple of hotels in the last couple of weeks and bars have been open in both - no requirement to order food.

The hotels here in Leitrim are only serving drink with food.
Bars are not open.

josip

almostover wrote: »

The mental gymnastics going on on this thread are beyond belief. People will do anything to justify ignoring the public health advice. Don't worry yourself about how you can circumvent the guidlines or how others are doing so. We're being given advice from public health experts to travel only to countries on the green list, maybe pay some heed to that advice?

The experts also disingenuously told us at the start that there was no point wearing masks, remember?
The real reason they said that was they didn't have enough stock for the HSE (their fault) and they were trying to protect supplies.

The same is happening again now.
The real reasons for not wanting us to travel are more to do with economics than the size of the increase in cases it would cause.