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Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

Mrcaramelchoc

Are you traveling outside of Ireland in the next few weeks?will you go now because the coronavirus is getting worse or will you cancel?
Im due to go to prague in 2 weeks and i don't know if i should?

Mod: It has been suggested to merge this with the main Corona thread, but I think a dedicated thread about travel has merit. If it becomes too much like the main thread, I'll just merge the two.

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pc7

Sh1te! Just remembered I’ve flights I moved in March to October too that I hope get cancelled, balls!

Van.Bosch

Biscuitus wrote: »

Booked a holiday for Autumn at the start of the year before Covid was even being talked about. I hope its cancelled and I get a refund for my flights but its looking like the country will be open to visitors by then. I don't want to go but can't afford to write off the cost of the flights. I can quarantine when I come home but what if I give it to someone on the flight and they don't bother. I'd be happy to not leave the country again for the next 5 years if there was some way the government would refund holiday goers their flights.

When you say you “can’t afford to write off the flights” that’s a false economy. You have already paid for them, not going won’t cost you any more, in fact it will cost more with spending money etc.

I get you’ll be pi*sed off to have not gotten anything from the money you spent tho.

facehugger99

Biscuitus wrote: »

Booked a holiday for Autumn at the start of the year before Covid was even being talked about. I hope its cancelled and I get a refund for my flights but its looking like the country will be open to visitors by then. I don't want to go but can't afford to write off the cost of the flights. I can quarantine when I come home but what if I give it to someone on the flight and they don't bother. I'd be happy to not leave the country again for the next 5 years if there was some way the government would refund holiday goers their flights.

In other words you want taxpayers to foot the bill because you're going to be too scared to come out of your fear-cave for the next few years.

Er, no thanks.

[Deleted User]

Gael23 wrote: »

Has anyone planned a holiday for summer 2021?

Absolutely. I have loads of plans. I plan to take 4-5 weeks off work in a chunk. It will be a great time to travel, with far fewer tourists around. I will regret not taking advantage of that

Gael23

I’m hoping to go around this time next year but won’t book until after Christmas.

mikekerry

So what's, going to change between now and next year if no vaccine?
Just because its a different year in the calendar this doesn't mean any of the travel restrictions, are going to change.
Maybe Next year will be another year for staycations.
Suits the government to do this to try and boost the economy

Barna77

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

why not? Attending to family is an essential.

People making these comments, you realise that you are staying away from your family over an illness with a low mortality rate that is probable going to common for years to come?

All while the staff on the aeroplanes that you are afraid to get on, travel daily and are specifically exempt from isolating

I'm not afraid at all to get on a plane and fly over there.

But the growing rate there is worrying now. And if Spain is not on the green list, I will have to take a two week unpaid leave on returning to Ireland.

I know it's still weeks away, but who knows what will happen.

fawlty682

bladespin wrote: »

More sense on show today, maybe the message is getting through:

Examiner

Country cannot manage numbers of beach goers due to poor roads, poor facilities in comparison to Europe. Clare, Kerry and Wexford people afraid of virus spread. West Kerry people afraid to leave the house and the big August holidays yet to come. No music or discos so young people have to party. They cannot be expected to sit in and watch Netflix like old folk like me. Weather forecast is mixed for next month so people will be indoor a lot.
Probably safer in Europe where resorts can cater for crowds and. Enforce regulations yet travel is being painted as most dangerous, despite no evidence to date.

Micky 32

The Green list is a load of bollox

Donnelly “ the green list is for essential work, caring for a family member abroad or Irish citizens returning home.”

I wonder will they be checking what you’re travelling for.

[Deleted User]

Barna77 wrote: »

I'm not afraid at all to get on a plane and fly over there.

But the growing rate there is worrying now. And if Spain is not on the green list, I will have to take a two week unpaid leave on returning to Ireland.

I know it's still weeks away, but who knows what will happen.

Right so, can I ask a question?

How many more times will it have to be said in this thread before people stop making this incorrect statement?

Isolation is a recommendation, not a legal requirement. You can ignore it and continue with your life just as the captain and staff in the plane you flew in do every single day. Are you public sector? The unions are already arguing the unpaid leave circular.

In those two weeks of voluntary isolation, Ryanair staff will have flown about 20 times to other countries and continued shopping and socialising in Ireland.

[Deleted User]

Micky 32 wrote: »

The Green list is a load of bollox

Donnelly “ the green list is for essential work, caring for a family member abroad or Irish citizens returning home.”

I wonder will they be checking what you’re travelling for.

The main difference is in work. In the public sector at present, you are told to isolate unpaid. If it's essential travel, you are paid.

I see that changing though.

bladespin

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Right so, can I ask a question?

How many more times will it have to be said in this thread before people stop making this incorrect statement?

Isolation is a recommendation, not a legal requirement. You can ignore it and continue with your life just as the captain and staff in the plane you flew in do every single day.

In those two weeks of voluntary isolation, Ryanair staff will have flown about 20 times to other countries and continued shopping and socialising in Ireland.

Unfortunately some employers are forcing workers who travel to take a further 2 weeks off after as a precaution, cannot fault them for this though if it’s their policy then they should have to pay for your time as it’s unlikely to have been agreed by both parties.

[Deleted User]

bladespin wrote: »

Unfortunately some employers are forcing workers who travel to take a further 2 weeks off after as a precaution, cannot fault them for this though if it’s their policy then they should have to pay for your time as it’s unlikely to have been agreed by both parties.

I will absolutely fault them and anyone that doesn't is a clown.

Where I travel legally is my business. I am breaking no laws. My contract does not allow me boss to decide my holidays or health.

Gael23

I can work from home so that’s no issue. It’s more just the risk of contracting it in Spain

almostover

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I will absolutely fault them and anyone that doesn't is a clown.

Where I travel legally is my business. I am breaking no laws. My contract does not allow me boss to decide my holidays or health.

Our company had an employee pass away sadly from COVID-19 that she caught while on travel in March. Very sad case. She unfortunately passed the virus on unwittingly to 2 other staff members who thank fully recovered. One however was hospitalised. Our company now has a policy that you isolate for 2 weeks at your own expense if you travel abroad. It's a responsible decision given what can happen.

Barna77

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Right so, can I ask a question?

How many more times will it have to be said in this thread before people stop making this incorrect statement?

Isolation is a recommendation, not a legal requirement. You can ignore it and continue with your life just as the captain and staff in the plane you flew in do every single day. Are you public sector? The unions are already arguing the unpaid leave circular.

In those two weeks of voluntary isolation, Ryanair staff will have flown about 20 times to other countries and continued shopping and socialising in Ireland.

I haven't followed this thread.

I'm private sector. Can't work from home.

Last March I was laid off. My last day in work, this guy working in my building came back from a holiday in Spain and he didn't isolate. This is March, when the world was pretty much hell bound. I was so pissed off that I could have killed him.
Add to the equation death of a relative due to covid.

Would I come back from a foreign trip and not isolate and mix with other people ? Not a chance.

tfeldi

This and similar discussions are focusing on the holidays/ beach type travel. There are a few more shades . I have a dying relative in a country that is close in infection numbers but might just not make it onto the green list. In normal times I would be there to be with the relative and family. Try to balance that off with the potential risk of bringing it back to family/friends here.

Grueller Baby

Biscuitus wrote: »

I don't want to go but can't afford to write off the cost of the flights.

I can never understand this line of thinking. Whether you go or not o as soon as you booked the flight that money was written off. If you can’t afford to write the cost off then why pay in the first place?

bladespin

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I will absolutely fault them and anyone that doesn't is a clown.

Where I travel legally is my business. I am breaking no laws. My contract does not allow me boss to decide my holidays or health.

Each company has to look after the safety of all employees, they are right to ask anyone seen as higher risk to stay away but if that’s their policy they should be paying for it unless agreed beforehand.

Like you, I haven’t agreed but I wouldn’t hold it against them either.

billyhead

I'll be heading to Spain in September anyway. Booked since January. I'm not going to let the Government tell me what to do when they allowed plain loads of Italians to come over in March despite the warnings and now want people to holiday at home to boost the hospitality industry.

Firblog

Have booked a holiday to an area of Spain that has been covid free for nearly a month now - much lower rates than pertain in Dublin, the govt would want me to quarantine for 2 weeks when coming back from my holiday, but not if I spent the 2 weeks in Dublin and traveled back home (where we have a much lower rate)

lainey_d_123

Grueller Baby wrote: »

I can never understand this line of thinking. Whether you go or not o as soon as you booked the flight that money was written off. If you can’t afford to write the cost off then why pay in the first place?

Because paying for something nice is very different to throwing the money down the drain?

Many people need some kind of a holiday or break for their wellbeing. If they pay for a holiday they didn't get, they then need to shell out for a new one or end up not having one at all. How bloody depressing, with all of this going on, to be out of pocket for a holiday you didn't even get.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

billyhead wrote: »

I'll be heading to Spain in September anyway. Booked since January. I'm not going to let the Government tell me what to do when they allowed plain loads of Italians to come over in March despite the warnings and now want people to holiday at home to boost the hospitality industry.

The same plane loads that must have died on the way over because they never arrived here?

zvone

Today in my wifes company, manager told her she (and everybody else) can't have 4 week of paid holidays (as is in her contract), just 3. Reason is unclear... something like... "you was at home for more than 2 month during lock-down". Anyway, during this time she was on 350 euro covid payment, not on company payroll. Is it legal to cut her holliday time?

lainey_d_123

Lundstram wrote: »

Off to the UK in the morning for a few days. Been working non-stop since January, all through lockdown and just need a break away from this place. Work were saying I might have to quarantine for two weeks, I said, grand I'll do that but just make sure I'm paid for those weeks and it doesn't affect my annual leave. They backed down pretty fast then. It's a reccommendation not a requirement.

I'll fill out their form, maybe put Bart Simpson's details on it for all it's worth.

Flights were €24 return and 4 star hotel is €220 for 3 nights. Wouldn't get a day in Ireland for that. Staycation my arse.

Don't be a kn0b ffs. This is a total d1ck move.

I've no problem with people going abroad, but these requirements and recommendations are there for a reason.

You're not entitled to a holiday. Your desire for a holiday doesn't outweigh other people's safety and wellbeing. Every country is doing some form of tracing and monitoring - there's a global pandemic. If you're not prepared to abide by the rules and be responsible and considerate, then stay at home.

[Deleted User]

bladespin wrote: »

Each company has to look after the safety of all employees, they are right to ask anyone seen as higher risk to stay away but if that’s their policy they should be paying for it unless agreed beforehand.

Like you, I haven’t agreed but I wouldn’t hold it against them either.

Consider what you are saying and the implications of this. Covid is a transmittable disease. If that justifies forcing your staff against their terms of employment to stay at home then that applies to any other disease.

[Deleted User]

zvone wrote: »

Today in my wifes company, manager told her she (and everybody else) can't have 4 week of paid holidays (as is in her contract), just 3. Reason is unclear... something like... "you was at home for more than 2 month during lock-down". Anyway, during this time she was on 350 euro covid payment, not on company payroll. Is it legal to cut her holliday time?

depends on her contract. the holiday time could be based on hours worked.

Plenty of companies trying to force stuff through and for anyone thats from the other threads, this is why unions are a good thing

[Deleted User]

Stephen Gifted Geophysics wrote: »

The same plane loads that must have died on the way over because they never arrived here?

too be fair to that user, they did. It was for the cancelled rugby game and was well written about at the time

[Deleted User]

almostover wrote: »

Our company had an employee pass away sadly from COVID-19 that she caught while on travel in March. Very sad case. She unfortunately passed the virus on unwittingly to 2 other staff members who thank fully recovered. One however was hospitalised. Our company now has a policy that you isolate for 2 weeks at your own expense if you travel abroad. It's a responsible decision given what can happen.

my company had hundred of cases. 800 last I heard.The detah rate is lower than 1% overall. Zero in my company. Far higher in the old folks home where my grandfather lived until he died from Covid. None of that changes the reality of the situation.

how many people in your company are HIV positive? Do you even know? Probable not and the death rate is higher. What about AIDS? Do you know? No because its none of your business and the company would not dream of isolating that person.

What happens when someone comes in with the flu or even a cold? they can kill people too. Are they all sent home? I doubt it.

If I was in western africa would I need to isolate? I could bring back Ebola or the black plague and they have a far higher fatality rate.

Jesus wept, the drama that some people like to play out. Yes corona is an issue, thats why countries responded but get a grip will ya? Its here, get over it, be sensible and come out from the bunker

bladespin

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Consider what you are saying and the implications of this. Covid is a transmittable disease. If that justifies forcing your staff against their terms of employment to stay at home then that applies to any other disease.

I’m not suggesting or advocating it, just saying it’s happening, first rule for companies is to provide a safe working environment, I have just said this is against the terms for most workers but it’s a catch 22 situation for employers.
If they’re going to give you an extra fortnight off paid on top of my annual leave then I can accept it.

For me it’s not an issue though see the approach taken by some companies as both an invasion and an underhanded swipe at control outside the workplace.
But can also see where they’re coming from. (I did start a separate thread about just that) and do on, round and round.