odyssey06 wrote: » None of the points you have raised are a reason not to wear masks. If people with symptoms shouldn't be out and about, regardless of masks, how is the virus spreading right now? We should assume they are out and about, and accordingly mandate mask wearing. It's not an argument against mask wearing. Most allergies and rhinitis mean runny noses and sneezes not bunged up noses, so I suspect that quote from O'Neill has been taken out of context. Regardless, there are lots of reasons why people sneeze and cough that have nothing to do with coronavirus or any infectious disease. Individuals liable to that should be wearing masks to protect others in case they are in early stages of infection. There is a risk in asymptomatic transmission which we have not fully qualified yet. Improper use isn't a danger in the active sense i.e. in and of itself. It's dangerous in that it fails to protect you from the actual danger. People are bringing up oh if you use the mask wrong you will get infected as a reason not to wear a mask. It's a canard. It was part of a misinformation campaign in the early stages when the HSE were protecting their stocks of PPE. It was part of the reason so many of our healthcare workers were infected. And the people who say that don't explain what would have happened had the person not been wearing a mask. They don't consider that aspect of it OR the aspect that had all the other people been wearing masks their chances of being exposed to infection would be less. Masks lessen the spread. If they keep our R number down a few decimal points they have served their purpose as a weapon in this fight. They have next to no economic impact compared to our other restrictions.
robfowler78 wrote: » Hi just wonder what the rule is for children and masks are the mandatory for under 13 or are they still not required I'm a bit confused.
Jimdagym wrote: » Still not required if under 13
timmy_mallet wrote: » And there we have it. "If they keep the R number down...". A public policy decision being taken with no clear evidence but because it makes people feel safer.
MadYaker wrote: » It’s lockdown or masks. Pick one.
drunkmonkey wrote: » You forgot option 3, close the friggin borders if we can't close the border with the north close the southern borders of the border counties.
timmy_mallet wrote: » Are under 13s less likely to spread the virus?
odyssey06 wrote: » You think we can't get people to wear masks properly but you think we can close our border with the North along with the outside world? Or cut off some of our own counties? That's not a realistic proposition.
Benimar wrote: » So, you are saying we should close Louth, Monaghan, Cavan, Leitrim and Donegal off from the rest of Ireland?? All so you don’t have to wear a mask?
drunkmonkey wrote: » Masks will not stop the spread, they may slow it but not stop it. Yes i'm saying we don't let people who haven't been tested and quarantined past the southern border of those counties if we can't control them on the northern border. A mask does not provide immunity, the sooner people cop on to that the better.
drunkmonkey wrote: » You linked to the journal, it's hardly what i'd consider peer reviewed gospel. Your missing my question why are they still getting infected over 50% of today's cases were health care workers. The general public haven't the same level of equipment, how can a mandatory mask policy expect to control the virus? We let prisoners out of jail, if masks were so effective why didn't we leave them there and just make them wear masks. Masks weren't invented this year, medical professionals even on NEPHT aren't all on board with masks and have stated so on national TV Like the guards why can they stay indoors in a crowded room with no masks yet we can't buy a loaf.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Day on day record new case increases globally. 14 million total cases and rising at a rate of above 200k a day 425 new cases in Australia yesterday after weeks of tiny figures Over 1 million cases in India 2 million in Brazil 3.5 in the Us Ireland will see an increase again. The HSE said yesterday that they are not prepared to handle a second wave of cases. If and when we start to see another uptick in cases and deaths remember those who had the power yet refused to stop flights coming into Ireland. As flights have increased it has been quoted that it is only possible to follow up call less than 10%. This figure will get smaller and smaller as the numbers continue to grow. Ireland as an island nation had a chance. No longer the case. By October we will be in serious trouble
wadacrack wrote: » https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1283925161801121792
weldoninhio wrote: » Where are all the biohazard bins for used masks considering they may be covered in a highly infectious disease??
Jim_Hodge wrote: » Do you not realise how absurd that comment is? How about closing off Dublin and Kildare due to the high number of cases there?
odyssey06 wrote: » Where is the biohazard bin for their respiratory systems which would have been exposed to the virus without the mask?
weldoninhio wrote: » Gobbledygook.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » That's correct . October is when the danger is
odyssey06 wrote: » You can't bin a respiratory system which has been exposed to the virus. You can bin the disposable mask that shielded the respiratory system from outputting the virus. You have some sort of fantasy scenario in mind where an infected person is in the supermarket, and other people only get infected because they were wearing masks. It's a canard and misinformation. It's fake news.
weldoninhio wrote: » If someone is infected and breathing into a mask, that mask is a biohazard. Where are all the biohazard bins for all these used masks?
timmy_mallet wrote: » Right, with masks, 60% of the population was infected. And the mortality rate was the same as the Diamond Princess. So, essentially pointless, glad we've cleared that up.
odyssey06 wrote: » SO you are in favour of masks now, given that without the mask the infected person themselves would be more of a hazard? AND now you are concerned about the logistics of same? Welcome on board. Given the survivability of the virus on cotton regular bins seem to be ok. But if you have studies highlighting people getting infected from handling rubbish containing such items please do share. People handling rubbish could resort to plastic gloves and hand sanitsier. Much easier to clean hands than clean your respiratory system.
weldoninhio wrote: » We’re doomed!!!!!
weldoninhio wrote: » Not at all, just wondering if they are so good at catching a highly infectious disease, surely the govt should be providing biohazard bins to ensure the correct disposal of these deadly masks. Like they have for syringes. Kids pick up all sorts on the streets, it’s not necessarily a council/refuse worker who’ll be picking them up.
Sconsey wrote: » They're not a hazard if you dont touch them, the droplets that may potentially be holding virus particles are trapped in the mask. So put them in the bin carefully and then try to keep your hands out of the rubbish bin. Hopefully you don't usually go around sticking your hands in bins (with or withour gloves).
