MFPM wrote: » Still no evidence of your sweeping generalised statements just more deflection. I couldn't care less about my 'credibility' with you, i n fcat you should be more focused on your own credibility. Now perhaps you could do the discussion a service and go back to your post and substantiate some of your 'opinions' with some hard facts.
Deleted User wrote: » Ahh sweet irony. Enough said I think. You're obviously not here to contribute anything of value. A **** stirrer is all.
You're obviously not here to contribute anything of value.
A **** stirrer is all.
Clarence Boddiker wrote: » This is where we are now, this the kind of mindfcuk poisoning our childrens minds. Totally depraved, beyond the beyonds in terms of (anti white) racism. Heres what educate together plan on teaching when schools reopen."Hi, my name is Laura and I’m privileged“ – how many conversations start this way? Very few, if any, but they should""Acknowledge your privilege""If you are a white, settled, Irish person living in Ireland, you experience privilege, even though it may not seem like it or be immediately obvious"https://www.educatetogether.ie/news/anti-racism-in-our-schools/
DelaneyIn wrote: » Why are all these non Europeans moving to Europe if we are such a racist and backward thinking people? Are they sadomasochists or something? It’s getting tiresome to listen to foreigners smear the native people whilst they live in our countries. If we were half as bad as they claim, we simply wouldn’t have let them or their parents in.
RyanthePirate wrote: » I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus. Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county. Agree/Disagree?
MFPM wrote: » What on earth is wrong with the quote? Are you suggesting that schools and education shouldn't play a role in discussion on the real lived experiences of children?
oyvey wrote: » The quote is utter bollocks. Don't burden innocent kids with this white privilege bullsh*t.
The quote is utter bollocks
Don't burden innocent kids with this white privilege bullsh*t.
Kaybaykwah wrote: » Well, you go on about your migration to Australia and how you have contributed without taking a red penny from your host country. All giving and no taking and how productive you are. No proof of that, really, it's all hearsay.
Once in Australia, few Irish immigrants have trouble finding a job. Unemployment among the Irish community in Australia is just 2.4%.
The employment rate for Africans in Ireland was also very low at 45%
MFPM wrote: » It's not, it's an attempt to help kids understand racism and kids who are never likely to experience it but perhaps due to upbringing may engage in it. As longs as it's taught in an age appropriate manner, there is nothing wrong with this. Are you suggesting that teaching children about the lived experiences of some of their class mates is not important or that the lived experience of some of their class mates is not important either. It's utterly absurd that you'd be offended by this.
MFPM wrote: » Yes, the departments set the bar very high, somewhat ironic given migration from this country has been overwhelmingly 'economic'.
TheCitizen wrote: » https://news.sky.com/video/history-is-written-by-the-people-who-do-the-harm-cricket-commentators-view-of-white-privilege-12024274 Michael Holding West Indies cricketer spoke about the issue of racism very well in this clip from SKY. Some of the commentary on this site exemplified by this thread is nothing short of a disgrace.
MFPM wrote: » Mulitculturalism isn't an ideology and it certainly hasn't failed, are the problems in many cities, yes but there a multitude of factors that contribute to those problems - culture/economics/poverty/social inequality etc.
Slowyourrole wrote: » would you live in any of those places? Would you happy with the rights you had if you did?
TheCitizen wrote: » It’s not about people having different opinions or about concerns with direct provision centres etc., I’m talking about a cohort that make broad statements like; “the multiculturalism project has failed etc.” On this site that sort of statement is regularly made, it’s backed by nothing bar ignorance and racism.
DelaneyIn wrote: » The statistics back up his point. Irish in Australia;https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/17/ireland-australia-land-of-plenty Africans in Ireland;https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1107/1009164-esri_migrants/
Wibbs wrote: » And? Hey, maybe what these places need is many more White Europeans? For multicultural diversity and the like. Yeah I didn't think so. The very sentence will have many twitching trying to find the "racism" in it. Diversity only seems to go one way and is very much based on the levels of melanin in the skin. The hundreds of thousands of Poles, Germans, Italians, Spaniards and British living in Ireland get nary a mention. Even Asian folks are low on the totem of what is apparently the correct sort of diversity.
Chris_Heilong wrote: » White Privilege does not exist, we are all eating a s**t sandwich regardless of race and are doing our best to get through it. No to theories of unconscious bias, lived experience, man spreading, my truth, cultural appropriation, patriarchy, mis-gendering and the use of words like POC and Cis, none of these belong is schools and are all part of a new cult with Marxist roots and post modernist daydreams, in the same way all of us do not want our children to be under the influence of Scientology most of us with a brain do not want this new woke religion any where near our kids.
we are all eating a s**t sandwich regardless of race and are doing our best to get through it.
No to theories of unconscious bias, lived experience, man spreading, my truth, cultural appropriation, patriarchy, mis-gendering and the use of words like POC and Cis, none of these belong is schools and are all part of a new cult with Marxist roots and post modernist daydreams, in the same way all of us do not want our children to be under the influence of Scientology most of us with a brain do not want this new woke religion any where near our kids.
MFPM wrote: » Any insights into the relatively low level of employment of Africans indicated by those figures?
gw80 wrote: » It's a vile and disgusting statement. And if you are serious then the rot is well and truly set in. The word brainwashed comes to mind, and dangerous, .
Wibbs wrote: » Outside of existing colonies like the US who were built and sustained on immigration - and those "huddled masses" were largely in the past as far as being actively pursued - the majority of Irish emigration was legal. Try just hopping over to the US today without needed skills and see where that gets you. And yes I would deport illegal Irish from the US. Multiculturalism is most certainly an ideology, overwhelmingly originating in and fostered by nations like the US who ended up multicultural both by design and "mistake" and were suffering the ills of it and sought, hoped to fix things, or at least look like they were doing something by pushing the notion of multicultural "melting pots". The very idea and politic simply wouldn't itself exist if there were no fracture lines along ethnicity and "race". The idea of multiculturalism wouldn't have even been on the table in Ireland 30 years ago, because we had no numbers to speak of of non native Irish people, whereas our neighbours the UK were rolling it out as a Hail Mary solution because of the crap that was going down with different immigrant populations over there. The second and third generation of people born there whose parents had emigrated to the UK realised they were sold a pup. "British" in passport only in many ways, and yes racism from the native population was a huge part of it. They sought redress in both peaceful and not so peaceful means, just like African Americans had a generation previously and for similar reasons. Just like non natives in France and Germany. Everywhere this multicultural society has been tried has had the exact same issues. Apparently the Irish will do things differently. Travellers are pale faced often ginger haired 100% Irish and yet... How many centuries of ballsology has been played out on this island between two pale faced ethnic groups? Outside of existing colonies like the US who were built and sustained on immigration - and those "huddled masses" were largely in the past as far as being actively pursued - the majority of Irish emigration was legal. Try just hopping over to the US today without needed skills and see where that gets you. And yes I would deport illegal Irish from the US. But you accept that the overwhelming majority of Irish migrants historically including the 60s/80s/2010s was economic...fishing out of other people's ponds. Multiculturalism is most certainly an ideology, overwhelmingly originating in and fostered by nations like the US who ended up multicultural both by design and "mistake" and were suffering the ills of it and sought, hoped to fix things, or at least look like they were doing something by pushing the notion of multicultural "melting pots". The very idea and politic simply wouldn't itself exist if there were no fracture lines along ethnicity and "race". Multiculturalism is most certainly an ideology, We'll have to agree to disagree. The very idea and politic simply wouldn't itself exist if there were no fracture lines along ethnicity and "race". That's overly simplistic...the 'fractures' are not pre determined, they are fostered and encouraged to deliberately to create division. I'm still struggling to understand what issue you have people of different ethnicity and culturemixing together in society? whereas our neighbours the UK were rolling it out as a Hail Mary solution because of the crap that was going down with different immigrant populations over there. A rather telling statement....I'm always curious about how those who critique 'multiculturalism' always seem to lay the blame at the migrant population. They sought redress in both peaceful and not so peaceful means, just like African Americans had a generation previously and for similar reasons. Just like non natives in France and Germany. Everywhere this multicultural society has been tried has had the exact same issues. This is typical of your argument to date, you're actually saying nothing - 'issues' - what issues, and who's to blame why is it the 'non natives' who pay the price of the ire and hateed of those who propagate against multi culturalism? Everywhere this multicultural society has been tried has had the exact same issues. Apparently the Irish will do things differently. Travellers are pale faced often ginger haired 100% Irish and yet... How many centuries of ballsology has been played out on this island between two pale faced ethnic groups? No one is arguing that Ireland can or will automatically do things differently but it's clear that thus far the integration of non-Irish people into Irish society has been relatively good (if we ignore the elephant in the room of DP). There are issues undoubtedly, primarily due to the way many of the non-Irish have been 'distributed' around the country. There are also attempts by a few unrepresentative clowns like Gemma/Herman/Torino etc., and their merry crew of bigots who are trying to stir things up. They stand in the same tradition of similar types who whipped up hatred against travellers - the way to combat that nonsense is to stand against it, not to attempt some dishonest historical justification/explanation for it.
Outside of existing colonies like the US who were built and sustained on immigration - and those "huddled masses" were largely in the past as far as being actively pursued - the majority of Irish emigration was legal. Try just hopping over to the US today without needed skills and see where that gets you. And yes I would deport illegal Irish from the US.
Multiculturalism is most certainly an ideology, overwhelmingly originating in and fostered by nations like the US who ended up multicultural both by design and "mistake" and were suffering the ills of it and sought, hoped to fix things, or at least look like they were doing something by pushing the notion of multicultural "melting pots". The very idea and politic simply wouldn't itself exist if there were no fracture lines along ethnicity and "race".
Multiculturalism is most certainly an ideology,
The very idea and politic simply wouldn't itself exist if there were no fracture lines along ethnicity and "race".
whereas our neighbours the UK were rolling it out as a Hail Mary solution because of the crap that was going down with different immigrant populations over there.
They sought redress in both peaceful and not so peaceful means, just like African Americans had a generation previously and for similar reasons. Just like non natives in France and Germany. Everywhere this multicultural society has been tried has had the exact same issues.
Everywhere this multicultural society has been tried has had the exact same issues. Apparently the Irish will do things differently. Travellers are pale faced often ginger haired 100% Irish and yet... How many centuries of ballsology has been played out on this island between two pale faced ethnic groups?
DelaneyIn wrote: » It is not relatively low. The majority of Africans in Ireland don’t work. It is extraordinarily low. Especially considering that they are non EU nationals. It raises a lot of questions. Why are we allowing so many non EU citizens move here and live off of welfare? It needs to stop.
The majority of Africans in Ireland don’t work.
It needs to stop.
It's a vile and disgusting statement.
Mayorga wrote: » Plenty of non skilled labouring jobs going on sites. Someone should tell all those unemployed africans.
Slowyourrole wrote: » We can only control our own actions. If other countries don't treat our people well because of their religion/race/nationality that doesn't mean we should do the same to their citizens.
MFPM wrote: » That post actually indicates the point about white privilege precisely. When is the last time you were told to go back where you came from, when is the last time you had someone do monkey chants at you, when is the last time you were called the 'n' word........it is overwhelmingly people of colour who are subjected to the above.
Dear me, you have some issues don't you? You're comparing the educating kids about the structural problems of society with the teaching of Scientology...remember the overwhelming majority of children are taught about Jesus being nailed to a cross, rising from the f@cking dead three days later and all the rest of that stuff but yeah education about racism/sexism and homophobia is the problem.
MFPM wrote: » Just 'Africans' or should we go around the unemployed black spots like Ballynanty in Limerick 43% unemployment or Priorswood in Dublin with 36% unemployment or Larchville in Waterford with 37% unemployment - I mean it can't be the 'Africans' taking their jobs can it so what excuse do the unemployed 'natives' have?
MFPM wrote: » But you accept that the overwhelming majority of Irish migrants historically including the 60s/80s/2010s was economic...fishing out of other people's ponds.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
That's overly simplistic...the 'fractures' are not pre determined, they are fostered and encouraged to deliberately to create division.
I'm still struggling to understand what issue you have people of different ethnicity and culturemixing together in society?
A rather telling statement....I'm always curious about how those who critique 'multiculturalism' always seem to lay the blame at the migrant population.
This is typical of your argument to date, you're actually saying nothing -
'issues' - what issues,
and who's to blame why is it the 'non natives' who pay the price of the ire and hateed of those who propagate against multi culturalism?
No one is arguing that Ireland can or will automatically do things differently but it's clear that thus far the integration of non-Irish people into Irish society has been relatively good (if we ignore the elephant in the room of DP)
There are issues undoubtedly, primarily due to the way many of the non-Irish have been 'distributed' around the country.
There are also attempts by a few unrepresentative clowns like Gemma/Herman/Torino etc., and their merry crew of bigots who are trying to stir things up. They stand in the same tradition of similar types who whipped up hatred against travellers - the way to combat that nonsense is to stand against it, not to attempt some dishonest historical justification/explanation for it.
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