meeeeh wrote: » I don't think any other sector put out so many preconditions before talks on implementation even started. Department for education is poor but no other sector union or organisation approached things less constructively. Everyone else seems to be able suggest how things can be done, teachers unions come out first with what can't be done. I'm sorry but instead of criticizing media reaction you might look at unions. Being realistic only works when you are also constructive. Just being realistic and whinge doesn't resolve anything.
Millem wrote: » How many kids in total to 2 carers?
iamwhoiam wrote: » I just dropped a child off to a summer camp . Kids in pods of 8-10 .Two carers with no masks, temps taken on arrival and hands sanitized . The carers are not distancing and kids mixing with each other but not with the other pods . All the kids seemed to be under 8 or 9 . They are going by the book and by recommendation and parents signed a waiver regarding Covid Th e kids all were excited and happy to be among peers .
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Extrapolate that out into an average classroom. That would mean 5 teachers per class.
iamwhoiam wrote: » From what I saw there were 8 or 9 kids with two play carers . I just saw one pod and not sure about the other pods .
Millem wrote: » Oh wow so 2 carers per pod! If primary schools were to go by that.......that is a lot of extra staff!!!
iamwhoiam wrote: » No see above . Summer camps always have more staff
History Queen wrote: » Even if you had one adult per pod (of that size) in a school setting it is a huge amount more staff
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Can't speak for the secondary unions but I do know that the INTO were asked for and then provided a submission document. Have to say it was an excellently put together piece. Pulled together all the issues. Guess what, it has been ignored. It's available on their website if you want to have a look. A principals group called the Irish Principals Forum also have supplied the dept with some solutions to issues that they can see will occur. That has also been ignored. The people on the ground are trying to provide solutions but the dept haven't responded. As I have already said numerous times on here, I suspect that the dept will try to avoid having concrete stuff down on paper as that will require funding. The more wishy washy the better for them as the famous 'local arrangements' line can be used then which more or less means that the schools have to sort things for themselves. This will then lead to people saying that X school did this so why didn't Y school also do it.
iamwhoiam wrote: » I don’t think they are comparable to be honest . The summet camps always have more carers or young people helping out . Don’t forget its a private enterprise and parents pay for the camps . They bring them out and bake and do activities etc They always , long before Covid , had a lot of staff
meeeeh wrote: » Why would you need an adult per pod?
Lillyfae wrote: » If this is the document you're referring to the INTO have largely put it back on the schools to arrangehttps://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2019/07/2020_06_23_INTOGuide_Covid_SaferSchools.pdf
meeeeh wrote: » Excluding the section on how teachers should be able to take holidays, most of the stuff is every company had to do after reopening. Those instructions are widely available for months and one would assume that any organisation would be implementing them anyway. (Staggered breaks are not mentioned I think but they could be looked at).
average_runner wrote: » Schools don't do pods, sport always has
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Actually we have been told to in the HSE guidance.
average_runner wrote: » Why would primary schools go by that? In all sports and sports camp you are meant to have one person for every 8 kids anyhow. Same thing doesn't happen in the schools
Millem wrote: » The camp has 2 staff to 8 kids so their staffing has doubled?
average_runner wrote: » Interesting, as our kids school has announced their teachers for next year, the class room etc. Expecting to be all back in that classroom together in Sept in an email from the principal. Kids will be playing matches by the time they are back in school, so pods in a school is pointless
wirelessdude01 wrote: » No it is this one.https://www.into.ie/app/uploads/2020/05/Key-Issues-COVID-19_Web.pdf This is a shorter version than the one I was privy to prior to it being submitted.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » These requirements have led to a good few schools that I know of informing their parents that there will be no after-school activities facilitated next year and that those schools won't be partaking in interschool competitions(sports, quizzes, etc) if they do take place.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Every school in the country has announced the class teachers, where known, for next year. The HSE mentioned pods within classes and that classes are to become bubbles. No contact with other classes. These requirements have led to a good few schools that I know of informing their parents that there will be no after-school activities facilitated next year and that those schools won't be partaking in interschool competitions(sports, quizzes, etc) if they do take place.
Lillyfae wrote: » This should be the least of their worries.
