Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: » Well, it looks like Simon Harris for Education. Worst case scenario I think.
jrosen wrote: » I do think individual schools do need to come up with what works for their school but there also needs to be guidelines that apply across the board stipulated by the department. There is no one size fits all but the excuse bus needs to stop and people need to start making decisions. As I said pages back, every other industry is working away proactively to try and come back as best they can. Its mind blowing that the department of education cant get their **** together.
Sanjuro wrote: » Where you getting that?
Scoondal wrote: » Most other EU countries already have students back in class. But Ireland is different because, but but this and that (oh and the teachers are on full salary for two hours work per day).
cazzer22 wrote: » Two hours work per day? I'm actually doing the same hours I would normally do, so don't know where you're getting that figure out of thin air from.
LuasSimon wrote: » Irish teachers would do anything to get out of going to work , when people clapped in the evenings for front line workers they most certainly weren’t clapping for the lazy selfish teachers at home sunning themselves .
LuasSimon wrote: » If Irish teachers have their way we will be the only country in Europe if not the world not reopening schools in September, August in many cases . Irish teachers would do anything to get out of going to work , when people clapped in the evenings for front line workers they most certainly weren’t clapping for the lazy selfish teachers at home sunning themselves .
History Queen wrote: » Ya you're dead right that's exactly what we want... oh and a payrise too! Sound.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Can I get pay parity/restoration before I get the payrise? Pretty please. Being an LPT isn't all that much fun!!
average_runner wrote: » Fair enough. From a parent I cant see it working for the kids. My two will start their homework at 9 each day and be done by 1030. There is no point in the teacher doing anymore, as they dont want to. They miss their school friends but are keeping their teachers for another year which is good. The kids are playing on the road these days, sport with social distancing in july, but then matches in August. So the best teachers can hope for is masks on the teachers and no social distancing. Putting masks on the kids will do more harm than good
Dublingirl80 wrote: Does this apply to everyone in the workforce then? No social distancing required for any job or just teachers?
firemansam4 wrote: » Many healthcare staff have had to work under these conditions, it would just be impossible for them not to. I work in the food processing industry and I can tell you it is not practical to social distance a lot of the time, many people don't adhere to it anyway unfortunately. We have had to work throughout this crisis, when the chance of infection was way higher than the low numbers we are at now. Do you think people working in them meat plants were with large outbreaks were able to social distance? There may be signs and barriers up in these places and they may claim to adhere to guidelines but it is just impossible in reality to do it all the time.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I think they mean thats what parents have experienced from some teachers (including myself) and I think 2 hours is being generous in those cases. I would hope it doesn't take a teacher 30 hours to compose one email a week which is all that some parents have been getting. I get one myself every Friday night from one of my kids teachers, that's the extent of online learning here. I did say some so it's only fair to recognise that there are teachers working very hard right now but others have not and it spoils it for the ones who really put the effort in. I also emailed the principal over two weeks ago about something unrelated to at home learning or covid and just got radio silence.
Lucky Lou wrote: Just playing devils advocate. In your job do you have to wipe snotty noses, have children sneeze/cough on your hand while you tick their work, help them change themselves after an accident, deal with irate parents that spit on your face they are so close and so angry? Maybe a child that needs restraining and may bite you? I think you like the teachers need to have choice wether or not you accept these conditions.
firemansam4 wrote: » Firstly if any parent spits in a teachers face especially now with Covid-19 they should be arrested. I've never seen or heard of that happening in my children's school, is it something you come across often? If a child has any snivel. Or cough they should. Not be going to school right now, that would seem pretty obvious. Yes I accept the risks where I work, personally at my age I think there is very little risk to me. But I would be concerned about picking it up and passing it to someone more vulnerable.
Dublingirl80 wrote: Meat plants have been the cause of many clusters so not too sure I would be holding them up as an example to be followed. If the same conditions led to the same problem in schools it would be probably hundreds of thousands of cases. As far as your job, you work with adults, you have the right to object to or complain about unsafe conditions. Your baseline job doesn't require the rules to be automatically broken. Put it this way, yes people may end up passing closer than 2m in every job. Do people spend 6 hours in a room not spaced 2 m apart daily? No, and if they did they would have been breaking regulations. What irritates me is that every medical service has been altered to provide for social distancing, protective gear etc. And it's for the benefit of everyone for this not to spread. But at the end of the day, if teachers and snas are asked to unsafe conditions which is different to every other job, they will object and they will not work in those conditions. Even reduced staffing will make the whole sector collapse and I think people don't realise jsut how hard it is to keep the whole sector going with the numbers involved ans shortages of subs etc as is.
firemansam4 wrote: » I don't work in unsafe conditions at my age and health there is as much chance of me being killed in a car crash than from covid 19. My main concern has always been catching it and passing it to someone more vulnerable. There was a much higher chance of spread of infection at the peak of this crisis, and if every person stopped working in the food production industry where there is minimal social distancing as to the nature of the job then most of the supermarket shelves would have been empty right around when panic buying took I In my view two wrongs don't make a right. Realistically it is currently up to each person to keep thoa distance whether they like it or not. I would say most of us would rather be done with it but we are told it is essential. I'm personally sick of it all , as is everyone. To be honest my point of view is wait this out till closer to the time. Plans should be made though and as schools will be a huge portion of the population, it is going to be hugely significant to how this all progresses. It is in everyone's interest to have it be safe. As a parent. As a grandparent. As an sna. As a teacher. Or as a member of the public who interacts with all of the above, if this thing spreads exponentially, we all suffer, our icus overcrowd and we lose all the progress we made. We didnt all stay at home for months to start turning each other into scapegoats and bad guys. Of course everyone is afraid. Every parent, child, staff member etc. And why? We were told to be and we were told to keep 2m distance. This is not something any of us wanted.
Lucky Lou wrote: To answer your first q yes it is something I have come across albeit accidental. And it will become an offence I am sure. A child that is sick should not be in school but I have seen children with coughs/colds/temps/vomitting/you name it with a call me if they dont improve. And your third point I have elderly parents and a health compromised child but I should just suck it up.
firemansam4 wrote: » Do you live with them parents? If so I can see how that is a worry for you. I have elderly parents and I have been helping get there shopping every week, I drop it off have to stand away from them. , I know there is a risk I could have picked it up at work and may pass it on to them. Look I said a good few pages earlier that there is not going to be a magic answer to this and there are circumstances of vulnerable teachers and students that need to be protected. But children need there education and we need to find a way to get them back to school. I have 4 children and 1 that requires extra help at school, they can't keep missing school until a vaccination may one day be found and made available.
