Van.Bosch wrote: » Doctors, nurses, guards, fire fighters, air hostesses - hardly the only one?
Murple wrote: » Parents will have to get used to keeping a child at home when they have colds and coughs and temperatures.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Parents will have to take responsibility too . Temp checks before school , teach hand hygiene over and over . Give the kids a pack with hand sanitizer a small towel and toilet paper every day . Thankfully most parents I know and in the area would be happy to do that . Hopefully all adults, parents , teachers , minders , SNAs etc will pull together and help the children deal with it . The children need us to be united and putting the kids first
annoyedgal wrote: » I've been to the doctor and maternity hospital numerous times since this started. It is far from business as usual. Strict social distancing and ppe. If it's required to be closer than 2 m the health care professional has ppe and limits exposure to as quickly as possible. Also two people to a room max. Hardly compares to a class of up to 30 kids for six odd hours a day. Yes we all want business as usual as it's convenient. Should hospitals and health care staff drop all protective measures come September? Should supermarkets stop limiting the number of customers? Wanting it is one thing but the reality is different. You can't treat one section of workforce as different to others because it's an inconvience. Comparing fire fighters and guards is nonsensical as these are life saving essential services. I will be almost nine months pregnant returning in September and will not be returning if I'm not afforded the same protections as others members of workforce. Anyone cribbing about teachers not getting on with it without ppe and distancing needs to get their head out of the sand. You wouldn't ask hairdressers to work without ppe in an overcrowded badly ventilated room. And spare a thought for students with underlying issues. We need proper guidelines and concrete proposals not wishful thinking.
giveitholly wrote: » And if teachers can't go back to work in September do you think they should continue to get full pay when they are unable to do their work.How long can the state afford to keep paying teachers full wage? Should they not go onto the €350 covid payment?
History Queen wrote: » If teachers are working remotely doing blended learning etc they should be paid. If not working then we should be on Covid payment. I do think that's fair enough. I can't see us being told not to teach though.
annoyedgal wrote: » I will be almost nine months pregnant returning in September and will not be returning if I'm not afforded the same protections as others members of workforce.
average_runner wrote: » Remote working wont work for the families where both parents are working from home. Parents cant do both. Also very unfair to the kids
History Queen wrote: » I agree. It is crap. I'm a teacher and have a son myself. It was awful trying to teach online and take care of him (mu husband was out at work every day). I want to go back. I was just makkng the point that if we couldn't and we were to continue remote teaching our wages should be paid. That's all. I'm not saying online learning is the answer at all.
deiseindublin wrote: » As usual posters, are happy to ignore the difference between indoor and outdoor risk. What service has opened up fully indoor with no PPE or extra funding?
average_runner wrote: » Fair enough. From a parent I cant see it working for the kids. My two will start their homework at 9 each day and be done by 1030. There is no point in the teacher doing anymore, as they dont want to. They miss their school friends but are keeping their teachers for another year which is good. The kids are playing on the road these days, sport with social distancing in july, but then matches in August. So the best teachers can hope for is masks on the teachers and no social distancing. Putting masks on the kids will do more harm than good
jrosen wrote: » I want school back as much as the next person. However if come September the advice for other sectors is still to social distance, still to have max people in a certain space then how can we expect teachers (or any sector for that matter) to work differently? There needs to be a safe standard across the board.
average_runner wrote: » A good few offices have opened up last week, all staff in, temp taken, hand cleaning kit and masks
wirelessdude01 wrote: » See this is where teachers are just so pi$$ed off at the dept over Fridays statements. They should have outlined 3 or 4 different scenarios and have given a full breakdown of what funding, support and resources would be given for each scenario. Instead Joe, who is brutal at public speaking mumbled his way through and left alot of people very confused. It appears it will be left to schools to sort locally. I can guarantee you that if it left to BOMs to decide if teachers can wear PPE then we won't be. This sort of stuff needs to be decided at a central level and not left to a voluntary board. Just so so frustrating for schools and those that work in them.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » I can guarantee you that if it left to BOMs to decide if teachers can wear PPE then we won't be. This sort of stuff needs to be decided at a central level and not left to a voluntary board. Just so so frustrating for schools and those that work in them.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I'm sure there will be more tangible guidelines issued soon.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Some on here confusing not wanting to work with wanting the workplace to be as safe as is reasonably possible before returning. Statements like "put them on the covid payment" aren't helpful. All education staff are asking for is the same care, that is in use in other workplaces, be observed in schools too. Some solutions would be helpful. How will 500-1200 students safely occupy the same building from 9-4? How will handwashing be carried out given the paucity of WC facilities in most schools? Same for toilet breaks. Will canteens operate at all or will kids bring packed lunch and remain in a pod and/or the same room for the day? Do we dispense with PE for the year? Are school sports done for now? What happens practical equipment after each use? Do we split practical groups and teach the same stuff 2/3 times? Masks and temperature checks for all? Who will be responsible for it? How do students enter buildings? How do we manage buses? Plenty to be teased out. Leo's 'bespoke solution for schools' should worry anyone concerned with student/staff health as it currently seems to mean doing away with all guidelines observed in other areas of employment. And before anyone else starts. Yes, I want to go back to school. Yes, the closure of schools is detrimental to student development but that doesn't mean you don't seek the best solution for all before returning and try to avoid unnecessary health risks.
Mrsmum wrote: » If all are back in school, come Sept, I think for secondary schools, rather that children moving from class to class, maybe the teachers should do the moving. Less traffic & spreading opportunities that way. When I was in school, not today or yesterday, that was the norm, not sure why it changed. Also teachers seem so worried they won't have PPE and/or sanitizing facilities. Am I naive in thinking it's a given it will be provided. After all. it is in no one's interests for teachers to be sick. We are all connected and an absent teacher knocks down lots of other dominos. Personally I'm not sure teaching behind a mask is workable though, maybe the shield things would work. Also think children should not be allowed into school without waving their own bottle of hand sanitizer on their way into school. Another thing, imo, if blended learning is to be a thing from Sept onwards, then the curriculum had better be pared back. Better to get the fundamental core topics right than trying to speed on with the full coursework with most children, apart from the very bright, barely hanging on with little real understanding or totally slipping behind. This applies to Primary and Post Primary.
firemansam4 wrote: » Not having a go at teachers in particular but this idea of there being a massive health risk to people from covid 19 is just not true IMO. For the vast majority of people under 50 the risks of becoming seriously ill or dying from covid 19 are very low. Now I get why we needed the lock down, we needed to protect the elderly and high risk groups by trying to slow down the spread of this disease. When I go to work I don't worry that I could be putting my own life at risk from this disease, even though I know there is always that small risk. I worry more about catching it and spreading it to someone more vulnerable. If you are under 50 and in good health and are worried about dying from covid 19 then you really should be more worried about stepping into your car and driving, as there is a higher risk of you being killed in an RTC.
