stephenjmcd wrote: » I'm sorry but how are those problems not insurmountable?? How is anyone supposed to police every luas stop, every train station, buses are a bit easier like i said but there's issues regardless. Gardai are understaffed, overtimes gone, they aren't going to be assigning officers to stations all day every day and even at that 1 or 2 officers wont be able to stop everyone. If we had a transport police it would be much easier to implement. How would you suggest luas and rail travel is addressed then if masks were introduced, who ensures compliance there? Keeping in mind most stations aren't even staffed anymore.
stephenjmcd wrote: » How is anyone supposed to police every luas stop, every train station, buses are a bit easier like i said but there's issues regardless. .
Boggles wrote: » How are the guards supposed to police every road in the country? They don't. The reality is the vast amount of road traffic offenses are not caught by the guards. But never have I heard another suggest we should get rid of road traffic legislation on the back of that. You are trying to focus on a what if negative, the vast vast majority of people are law abiding. Our politicians and public officials have utterly failed the messaging on masks, it's their own fault because they were so wishy washy about it and continue to be, the only option for compliance at this stage is to make them mandatory. They will be. It's only a matter time now, but of course a lot of response on this has been absolutely glacial.
Chicoso wrote: » I think we've missed the boat on the masks There's little interest out there in wearing them , hard to see the government enforcing anything They'll maybe pass the buk onto shops and buses to enforce ir
ShyMets wrote: » So the mood music from the Government would suggest that face coverings on Public Transport will become compulsory sooner rather then later. Which is a good thing. I wonder will then go further and make them mandatory in other settings. Probably not going on past form. But I do think that mandatory face coverings in enclosed public spaces would allow us to relax the 2 meter rule, which would make a big difference to most businesses
weldoninhio wrote: » The buses couldn’t stick to social distancing when all the driver had to do was count to 17. How will they be expected to enforce masks ������������
ShyMets wrote: » It would involve the driver stopping people getting on to buses without face coverings. If the driver follows the guidelines then its not an issue. If they don't, then that's a different story
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Driver does not have the authority nor is being paid to. No legislation = No mandatory wearing of masks
ShyMets wrote: » Currently you are correct. I am talking about a situation were it is made mandatory and legislation is introduced if required.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » If legislation is introduced it will be up to the Gardai to enforce. Bus drivers dont enforce mandatory government rules
ShyMets wrote: » If someone tires to board a bus without paying a fare the bus driver will deny them entry and ask them to get off. If they refuse then it becomes a matter for the Gardai. I would see Mask wearing operating in the same way.
stephenjmcd wrote: » The overall point is you want mandatory mask wearing,
stephenjmcd wrote: » my point is without enforcement to make it mandatory I don't buy into the theory that people will simply do as they're told.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » No fare no ride has nothing to do with government legislation though. Those are company rules. Face mask legislation has to be policed by Gardai. Bus drivers dont have authority. I think the policing of it is the reason nothing has been done. If it makes sense to stop the virus spread it would have happened already. You can't expect bus drivers to control it. They collect the money and drive the bus. That's all
ExMachina1000 wrote: » No fare no ride has nothing to do with government legislation though. Those are company rules.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » If it makes sense to stop the virus spread it would have happened already.
Boggles wrote: » Make it a company rule, backed up by legislation. Simple. It is stopping the spread in various European countries cited by evidence backed scientific studies on this specific virus. Maybe read the thread. Anything else you need help with?
Away With The Fairies wrote: » They can also choose who to let on the bus. No payment, no boarding. It can work the same with masks.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » I'm not disagreeing. I'll rephrase. Since masks stop the spread of the virus why haven't mandatory wearing been introduced? Legislation. Gardai must police it not private companies or businesses. It's not their job nor do they the legal authority .
Seanergy wrote: » You are so wrong, it's supply, supply supply. We need a government to pass Legislation. Might wanna update your software or reboot.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Not legally they cant. You can stop someone travelling on the bus if they won't pay because its backed up by the law. Call the Gardai. You cant call the Gardai because someone wont wear a mask. There is no law. There is no legislation.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Can people not be an asshole in a pandemic? "There's no legislation, I feel so big, I don't have to wear a mask". Just wear a mask, it really isn't that hard.
Boggles wrote: » What I want or don't want is moot. The transport companies and unions want mandatory mask wearing. It's not a theory, it's a fact, the vast majority of people obey the law.
Jim_Hodge wrote: » You can be pro mask wearing and still point out the fact that there is no legislation to enforce it.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Since masks stop the spread of the virus why haven't mandatory wearing been introduced?
NotMOL wrote: » Come on man do you seriously think that bus drivers would not be happy if everyone wore a mask on their buses? People using a mask is going to stop the driver from catching the virus. So I am 100% sure that the drivers simply will not let anyone board if they are not wearing a mask The bus and rail unions already want masks mandatory https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/face-masks-should-be-compulsory-on-buses-and-trains-nbru-1002768.html
