blackwhite wrote: » It’s a bit rich to call others propagandists - whilst quoting a figure that includes passengers travelling on the Athenry-Galway section to try and justify the Athenry-Ennis section. No doubt the WRC cheerleaders would try to claim Athenry-Galway commuters as being part of both Tuam-Galway numbers AND Limerick-Galway numbers if the Tuam segment was opened The only way to get commuters to switch to rail instead of their current options is to provide a service that at the best least takes no longer than either driving or bus. Tuam to Athenry to Galway isn’t going to compete on journey times with a proper bus service - the same failing that hits journeys from south of Gort into Galway. Once the bus is a quicker option (as well as more flexible in terms of final destinations) then commuters aren’t going to switch to rail.
Deleted User wrote: » You mean waste opponents I'm sure because I for one am not opposed to rail, have used it a lot down through the years and am fully behind the full double tracking of all intercity routes, full electrification, increased frequency etc etc A line serving a handful of people is a waste of time and money for all involved. Hell even the bit thats built is a colossal waste. Take a journey tomorrow from Athenry to Limerick. From station to station, its 1hr 6 mins by car The same on offer on the irish rail site shows jounrey times ranging from 1hr 29 mins to 4hrs+. Or looking at Galway to Limerick, train 1hr 54mins up to a staggering 5hrs versus the 1hr 17 mins by car. Even the Citylink bus can do it in 1hr 20 mins with the destination being Henry St in Limerick. You could even walk to the station from there, stop for a coffee along the way and still beat the train. There are only 2 things which are keeping this section open. The massive subvention (it would be nearly cheaper to put the passengers into taxis) and free parking at some of the stations. So no, you'll be hard pushed to get much sane support for a further waste beyond the wasteful portion of the WRC that is currently operating.
ezstreet5 wrote: » Can your provide the status of this project, if there is a project at all?
ezstreet5 wrote: » That's just conjecture. And yes, I am saying that you will have shorter travel times from Tuam to Dubln via Atherny by rail, compred to a bus from Tuam to Galway to Dublin.
ezstreet5 wrote: » I doubt that is happening at all.
ezstreet5 wrote: » Please share, because a disabled family member living under my roof is only capable of using the train.
Deleted User wrote: » Sure, design was tendered in 2014 and completed in 2015, and went to NTA for funding in 2016 I think it was, and is part of the 10 year GTS. Its still being worked on (doing what I don't know) but no further info beyond that as of yet.
Deleted User wrote: » Why on earth would you go to Galway on the way to Dublin???
Deleted User wrote: » Well one thing you can be sure of, there's more bicycles going between Galway and Tuam than trains
Deleted User wrote: » How do they get from the house to the train on a wet and windy day in November?
intellectual dosser wrote: » You're planning around the current business locations, where do future business' locate? Where do future workers live? Lets invest in housing stock in Tuam, Athenry and in between where its affordable, lets invest in business parks in those towns, for example the area zoned near Athenry train station or in Oranmore with the train providing reasonable connectivity between all locations as well as Galway, Dublin and Limerick. Alas, no. Lets do what we've always done in this country. Lets have the business' locate wherever they like and let the property developers throw up houses where they want. Lets wait for towns and business locations to be bursting at the seams with congestion before we consider how we solve those problems. We need to think bigger, and we shouldn't be afraid to invest in the future rather than just the present.
Sean Canney wrote: the long awaited bus lane from Claregalway to the city outskirts ... will be brought on line in the next year.
serfboard wrote: » But in another example of Irish "planning", the Service Station has been moved further towards the city along the M6, meaning a P&R at Rathmorissey will not be built.
Muckyboots wrote: » This so so true. Putting a service station, bus hub, park & ride facility at the Rathmorissey junction could do more to remove cars from Galway city than any other singular action, including a rail service from Tuam. Just fifteen minutes by car to Rathmorissey then choose your public transport option. Stop off for Dublin Limerick and Cork express buses, shuttles to Athenry train station and Galway City.
Sligo eye wrote: » It’s all about keeping the cars with you guys.
Isambard wrote: » with the trend towards EVs, is that a problem?
Isambard wrote: » Rail is rather an outmoded form of transport, technology will show a better way to do travel in the not so distant future that doesn't rely on rails to guide it.
donvito99 wrote: » I'm sure the people of Navan will be delighted to learn that the needs of a hypothetical, future commuting public are to be prioritised over their actual commuting misery. Now we're just building to justify a railway. I don't understand why we should build housing in far away towns such that people have to commute long distances by train, no matter how cheap the land may be. That's basically what you're proposing, businesses and housing estates all over the shop... except that they're on a meandering, single line railway. Investing in proper public transportation in Galway city would do a great deal more to solve congestion than railway induced sprawl on the WRC will, and may even allow Galway to grow as a counterbalance to Dublin and generate much more economic activity in the West overall. The reason the WRC has not been completed is not because people are scared.
blackwhite wrote: » So we build houses and industrial parks in Tuam - and then put a train line where the supposed business case is commuters from Tuam to Galway?
end of the road wrote: » yes as they still require a disproportionate amount of space to accommodate them v their size. rail is as modern as it gets. whatever that will replace it will have some of the principals, something else will do the guiding but the capacity will be the same or greater yet the space used will be similar or lower.
Isambard wrote: » what extra space does an EV take up?
ShaneC1600 wrote: » Would the P & R not be better located beside the railway and the motorway in Athenry or Oranmore? Then people travelling along the motorway or heavy rail from Dublin, Limerick or Mayo could then use the transport mode that best suited them to continue their travel. It's like what your saying only I'm including the heavy railway into the location of the P & R scenario.
Muckyboots wrote: » Rathmorrisey roundabout is already an established junction for Galway bound traffic and you couldn't drag Dublin, Cork & Limerick buses into Athenry or Oranmore town centres anyway. The rail park & ride offering will still be there for people who want it.
westtip wrote: » I advocated a long time ago the critical strategic importance of that interchange of the North South/East West motorway and the nearby closed Galway Airport. There should be a bus interchange at that location, it should have been built into the design. The closed airport near to that junction could be used to relocate Galway University Hospital, and free up the footprint of land the hospital sits on in the city centre, but that is a whole different can of worms. BTW note I say relocation of the hospital not closing the hospital in the city centre.
ezstreet5 wrote: » I don't get this post either. The Rathmorrissey junction is probably five miles from Galway Airport. There is no proposal or need to relocate GUH, and there is no want of land at MPUH, which has been the focus for a new elective hospital and other services.
serfboard wrote: » Two problems in relation to it are: 1. The necessity to apply for CPOs past Fleming's garage. 2. Cutting off the right-turn from the Tuam road northbound onto Parkmore. A substantial amount of traffic uses this turn.
ezstreet5 wrote: » It was a 25 minute outbound drive from Liosban to Bóthar Na dTreabh (about 1 km) this afternoon at 14:45. Still partial lockdown with no school and no tourists. At that speed it was easy to observe sad faces pressed against the windows of the inbound Burke's Bus, and also that there simply isn't the real estate for bus lanes between Flemming's and the Bohermore Roundabout. From Bóthar Na dTreabh to the Castlegar Church would also be a challenge. So I would question the feasibility of the bus lane overall, and whether it is a solution for all of the 2,000 passengers/day using Burke's Bus already, in addition to those who are still driving in.
ShaneC1600 wrote: » Any costing for that project? Why would there be a need for that bus lane when we keep being told that there is no requirement for opening the railway from Tuam?
donvito99 wrote: » Because a bus lane will benefit lots and lots of people whereas a railway to Tuam ostensibly only serves people in the vicinity of Tuam.
ShaneC1600 wrote: » Are you sure it benefits lots and lots? I recon if the railway went went to Claremorris it would serve lots and lots too!!
westtip wrote: » The closed airport near to that junction could be used to relocate Galway University Hospital, and free up the footprint of land the hospital sits on in the city center, but that is a whole different can of worms. BTW note I say relocation of the hospital not closing the hospital in the city center.
Greaney wrote: » Judas Iscariot!!! this has got to be the most Demented traffic solution I've read on this thread so far!! Clearly written by someone who doesn't live in Galway city or county!! Has no idea of cycling advocacy priorities. I thought it would have been withdrawn after it was written it was so nuts. Has anyone any idea of the thousands of people using that hospital every day use public transport?? It's a teaching hospital with classrooms and a library linked to the university where the students, lecturers and staff go between both campuses every day!!! And as for the alternative location, you'd think Connemara didn't exist!!! The cost!! The cost!!! Investment in public transport would be cheaper. Re-opening the Western rail corridor, in it's entirety would be cheaper!! Re-opening the line to Clifden along with the Western rail corridor would be cheaper. And it's all still about owning a car!! It's all about the cars, still!! At this rate every household is going to need more than two cars, and frankly more than three parents to drive everyone everywhere then need to go!!
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