Muckyboots wrote: » Doesn't answer my question - "Why?" would you want to "shift" some of the people using the 40 buses a day to an alternative public transport mode ?
Ireland trains wrote: » Last time I used a Galway - Limerick service, which I boarded at Ennis at around midday on a Friday, it was over 90% full arriving into ennis and there were lots of people standing leaving ennis. Train was a 2 car 2800 DMU. Of course this is not representative of all trains on the line.
Muckyboots wrote: » "Why?" would you want to "shift" some of the people using the 40 buses a day to an alternative public transport mode ?
ezstreet5 wrote: » The benefits are: 1. To reduce journey times from Tuam to Galway, which can exceed 60 min by bus during periods of peak a.m. and p.m. travel demand.
ezstreet5 wrote: » 2. To reduce reduce journey times from Tuam to Dublin by nearly a full hour in each direction compared to existing public transport options. (Not daily commuters, of course).
ezstreet5 wrote: » 3. To connect Tuam to other rail-served towns within a commutable distance.
ezstreet5 wrote: » 4. To enable rail-bicycle commuting from Tuam.
ezstreet5 wrote: » 5. To provide a mode of transport accessible the mobility impaired. If I was from Tuam, I would be demanding reinstatement of the service.
Sligo eye wrote: » Far more so than the anti rail propagandists will admit. The numbers on Galway-Limerick are now over 500,000 per year. What’s needed is more rolling stock and the political will to actually fund the railway properly.
blackwhite wrote: » Tuam to Athenry to Galway isn’t going to compete on journey times with a proper bus service - the same failing that hits journeys from south of Gort into Galway. Once the bus is a quicker option (as well as more flexible in terms of final destinations) then commuters aren’t going to switch to rail.
serfboard wrote: » No you're wrong. People are clamouring for a public transport option that will be slower, less frequent and leave them further from their final destination becuase ...
Lord Glentoran wrote: » ... it came from the imaginations of rail opponents
Isambard wrote: » i've said it before, but what's so special about Tuam? In a league table of cost/benefit rail improvements it would be a long way down the list. There are loads of towns of more importance that would benefit from better transport links.
[Deleted User] wrote: » You mean waste opponents I'm sure because I for one am not opposed to rail, have used it a lot down through the years and am fully behind the full double tracking of all intercity routes, full electrification, increased frequency etc etc A line serving a handful of people is a waste of time and money for all involved. Hell even the bit thats built is a colossal waste. Take a journey tomorrow from Athenry to Limerick. From station to station, its 1hr 6 mins by car The same on offer on the irish rail site shows jounrey times ranging from 1hr 29 mins to 4hrs+. Or looking at Galway to Limerick, train 1hr 54mins up to a staggering 5hrs versus the 1hr 17 mins by car. Even the Citylink bus can do it in 1hr 20 mins with the destination being Henry St in Limerick. You could even walk to the station from there, stop for a coffee along the way and still beat the train. There are only 2 things which are keeping this section open. The massive subvention (it would be nearly cheaper to put the passengers into taxis) and free parking at some of the stations. So no, you'll be hard pushed to get much sane support for a further waste beyond the wasteful portion of the WRC that is currently operating.
Isambard wrote: » what's so special about Tuam? In a league table of cost/benefit rail improvements it would be a long way down the list. There are loads of towns of more importance that would benefit from better transport links.
serfboard wrote: » What's special about Tuam is that it is the only justification for a line north of Athenry. Tuam is the hill that the northern WRC dies on. And any rational individual who sees that Tuam's public transport requirements are already well catered for by 40 buses per day, would quickly come to the conclusion that providing a slower and less frequent train service would be a colossal waste of money - which is why it will not happen.
Sligo eye wrote: » I’m not sure anyone wants to put half a million people into taxis? Even if you wanted to carry four passengers per taxi you would need 125,000 taxis and that is a rather large number of cars. In 2016 there were roughly 17,000 taxis licenced in Ireland so you would have to make those passengers wait a long time for that cab to come.
Sligo eye wrote: » That’s a big assumption to make. No one knows what the timetable for any service is yet, but pronouncements are being made by some posters that there would be a “slower” and “less frequent” service by rail. Oh and that anyone who disagrees with that straw man argument is “not rational”. That is about as poor an argument to stop a rail service from happening as I have ever come across.
Sligo eye wrote: » No one knows what the timetable for any service is yet, but pronouncements are being made by some posters that there would be a “slower” and “less frequent” service by rail.
Deleted User wrote: » It's a single line, please explain how you can do a high frequency service with fast journey times on it. I'll wait
serfboard wrote: » Would these be the same people who also predicted that the Galway to Limerick service would be slower and less frequent than the bus? How did disproving that work out for you?
Geuze wrote: » If there was:single track to Athenry, 160kph max and double track Athenry to GY, 200 kph max one station near N63 so the train from Tuam stops twice on way to GY (maybe more if stops in Oranmore, Roscam, Renmore) what would the timings be like?
Isambard wrote: » new alignment? again, there are dozens of towns that would be ahead of Tuam in the queue if ever funding for that sort of thing became available. Invest in improving the Galway to Dublin line, that would make much more sense (and help Tuam)
blackwhite wrote: » I fully agree - I'm not proposing that a new alignment actually be sought for Tuam-Galway - just pointing out that even a new alignment would be a more attractive solution than the old WRC alignment.
Sam Russell wrote: » A new alignment would make sense if it were Luas as far as Claregalway, and let commuters find their own way there. That could then go to the actual destinations where people go - the hospitsl, the University, and the trade estates. It cold be an extension of an east west Luas. Now that would get commuters out of their cars, leaving them in a P&R.
blackwhite wrote: » So what if we had a commuter line with higher speeds than most of the intercity lines in the country; with trains capable of safely accelerating and decelerating over the relatively short distances between the proposed stations? You might as well ask "what if we had a TGV line?" IMO the only way you'd ever see a viable rail line between Tuam and Galway would be a completely new alignment close to the N83 (old N17) routing. You'd be coming into the City through much of the industrial areas that commuters from Tuam and it's hinterland are actually working in - and on top of that it would be also serving the large volume of commuters from Claregalway. Only then might you see a meaningful shift of commuters away from buses or cars to a Tuam-Galway rail link.
intellectual dosser wrote: » You're planning around the current business locations, where do future business' locate? Where do future workers live?
Lets invest in housing stock in Tuam, Athenry and in between where its affordable, lets invest in business parks in those towns, for example the area zoned near Athenry train station or in Oranmore with the train providing reasonable connectivity between all locations as well as Galway, Dublin and Limerick.
Alas, no. Lets do what we've always done in this country. Lets have the business' locate wherever they like and let the property developers throw up houses where they want.
Lets wait for towns and business locations to be bursting at the seams with congestion before we consider how we solve those problems.
We need to think bigger, and we shouldn't be afraid to invest in the future rather than just the present.
Deleted User wrote: » Will be addressed by the proposed bus lane going from Claregalway, all the way in the Tuam rd. The council have stated that they can do the most of it easily, but will require CPO's once they go past the junction at Flemings garage
Deleted User wrote: » First, not a high enough demand for that route for that to be a justification, second, are you honestly trying to say that a bus using the motorway from Tuam to Dublin is going to be slower than a train which will require a changeover in Athenry
Deleted User wrote: » Where's the demand for that to justify it?
Deleted User wrote: » Given that its possible to transport more bikes on a bus than the current trains that's just a silly justification
Deleted User wrote: » There are far better transport options which will take folks point to point, I know, I used them for many years.
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w6.vanillicon.com/v2/62877c35768f143f69acd7bb6cd43f3c.svg)
