Higgins5473 wrote: » You're not only out of your mallet, you haven't the slightest breeze what you are on about. You're an embarrassment.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Imagine if nurses, doctors and healthcare workers took this stance.
Mrsmum wrote: » Just trying to understand as a lay person. State or no state can stop one person suing another person if they want to. Is that not correct ? To prevent them from doing so would be to take away, as it pertains to this situation, the LC student's legal rights, which are the same as anyone elses rights. But indemnity means "security against or exemption from legal liability for one's actions". So does that not mean if they sue, the State have given an undertaking they have the teachers covered. Basically my question is what guarantee is better than a State guarantee ?? Can someone explain.
JP100 wrote: » Why? Are the government asking health care workers to mark the LC?!
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » No but they can't get childcare due to a lack of state indemnity.
This indemnity will be subject to conditions around notification and cooperation with the State in defending any legal cases should they arise and will only be capable of being invoked where a person has acted bona fide, i.e. has made every reasonable effort to carry out their role in accordance with the guidance provided in this Guide and the relevant circular of the Department of Education and Skills.
plodder wrote: » Is this what the ASTI are complaining about? On the face of it, who would expect to be indemnified for not acting bona-fide, but the term "every reasonable effort" could be of concern? What does "every" mean there? It's fairly horrendous the litigation culture that has crept into education, so I think the concern is not unfounded.
downthemiddle wrote: » Could you please expand on this point so people can understand the comparison you are trying to make?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Teachers union - we don't let our members engage because your state indemnity is not enough. Frontline essential workers - no state indemnity for you (continues to do job). I think you'll agree that there's not much of a comparison between LC grading and the work that frontline workers have had to contend with over the past few months and yet the disparity is there. And unions (only one of them BTW) oppose it because that's their default.
downthemiddle wrote: » No teacher should be responsible for any of their legal costs for the situation they find themselves in.
downthemiddle wrote: » Are they both asking to be indemnified against the same possibility?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » And unions (only one of them BTW) oppose it because that's their default.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » They are both asking to be indemnified against legal repercussions in order to allow them to do their job. The state has agreed to indemnify teachers and schools and have spent weeks ironing out the detail alongside unions and representative bodies. The state will not indemnify a childcare solution for frontline workers. Do you see them now refusing to do their job?
annoyedgal wrote: » Actually incredulous that some posters wouldn't fully inform themselves before jumping on the nearest bandwagon for yet another teacher bashing oppoutunity. The ASTI are protecting their members from inevitable legal challenges which could financially ruin the teachers involved. Clearly this issue will be resolved and the ASTI have shown they are absolutely willing to engage in predictive grading which will happen once this is resolved. As another poster said I'm embarrassed for some posters here with the comments they have posted. Read more than the headline people!
wirelessdude01 wrote: » mammy and daddy can't/won't accept the result.
Mrsmum wrote: » Sorry but I see this type of wording used over and over and it gets on my nerves. Imo it is the duty of "mammies & daddies" to do their very best for their children and that sometimes involves taking a matter as far as they feel it needs to go. That girl last year that sued and got her situation resolved in her favour happened because her "mammy and daddy" didn't roll over. And can I just say I have teachers in my own family, as in laws and as friends and believe you me as "mammies and daddies" themselves, no one is as all over it and quicker to move heaven and earth to get their children sorted. I don't think for one minute that teachers should be legally liable in this situation but neither do I like this scorn for parents being parents.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Ohh I agree with the majority of what you say, can't blame parents for wanting the best for their child. I'm more so referring to the parents who aren't realistic about their childs ability when it comes to exams or just their academic ability overall. I was talking to a friend of a friend recently and they were saying that they have a child in HL french who they would prefer and recommend to take ordinary level. However the childs mother has paid out a fortune on grinds to try and bring the childs level up but it just isn't there and they won't accept the viewpoint of the actual teacher because the grinds person says they can get a good HL result. Grinds person has been laughing all the way to bank while the child will likely get a very poor result and wasted time on it.
sideswipe wrote: » Disgusting what the ASTI are doing by not accepting a state indemnity in relation to LC grading. These are emergency times and it needs everyone to pull together. Colm O’Rourke saying on tv they have a policy of opposition, imagine if our frontline workers took this kind of stance when so much was asked of them during this pandemic.
pwurple wrote: » Cool story. Here's another one. I had an English teacher who spent two years trying to push me down to ordinary level. I was a huge fan of contemporary abstract literature at the time and she didn't like my writing style I think. I didn't get grinds, but I did get a B1 in higher level English in the LC. She was at the school when we got our results and told me it must be a mistake as I couldn't possibly have gotten that grade. I wouldn't have wanted her grading my leaving cert, that's for damn sure.
