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How many people on Boards have a mask and if so are you wearing them for essential trips? And this late in the day where can you get one that is going to be half decent and not from a suspect seller who could have done anything to it?

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tromtipp

If they're going to give us advice on face mask safety I hope they do a better job than they've done on hand washing, where they tell us to rub hands together, wash between the fingers, and under the nails, but no mention on washing the thumbs or round the wrists, both of which have been identified as the weak spots in most people's hand-washing routine.

So, masks - keep them on while you're out, covering mouth and nose, remove by releasing the elastics or ties from behind the ears, do not touch the mask itself, wash and dry it after each use. Not rocket science. And yes, a few weeks back I did see a small town pharmacist strolling down the street with his mask under his chin - I hope he's been advised on that since.

ShyMets

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Being selfish is a medical condition.

They're are those with Autism & Special Needs who are unable to wear a face covering. So lets not be so quick to judge

Seanergy

political analyst wrote: »

Will Bus Éireann be making an official statement on whether or not the wearing of face-coverings by passengers is mandatory?

Not enough masks in the country yet for Dublin Bus workers, becoming a hot point, imagine the same for BE.

Away With The Fairies

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your entitled to your view but its just that a view. Up to everyone to make their own minds up

I may be infected without symptoms, so I wear a face covering.

How are people even given the decision? A choice in infect others. I just don't know.

Away With The Fairies

ShyMets wrote: »

They're are those with Autism & Special Needs who are unable to wear a face covering. So lets not be so quick to judge

What about the alco buying a couple of cans?

Away With The Fairies

I really don't understand their reasoning behind all this... Anywhere there's people, a face covering should be worn.

It's basic cop on really. If you can't distance, if there's people, wear a covering.

Good old Ireland, only if you want to.

ShyMets

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What about the alco buying a couple of cans?

I believe that in the current situation people should wear face coverings when out in shops and on public transport. What i am pointing out is that some people cannot wear face coverings and should not be judged for not doing so

Beasty

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What about the alco buying a couple of cans?

What about them?

The guidelines are there. Face coverings are not mandatory. I always wear one if I'm going into a shop even if 80% of people in that shop do not wear them. If I don't want to encounter people not wearing a mask, I can avoid going anywhere I am likely to meet anyone

Ninthlife

I was thinking of putting a pair of tights over my head but I fear the staff in the shops might get a fright or the wrong idea

Boggles

Doctor Tony sounded like he was trying to talk people out of wearing them.

As wishy washy sit on the fence "advice" goes, that was different level.

Absolute incompetent cowards.

Arrival

Ninthlife wrote: »

I was thinking of putting a pair of tights over my head but I fear the staff in the shops might get a fright or the wrong idea

Funnily enough, there was actually a study done showing that cutting a hole on the end of some tights and putting those over a simple surgical mask increases the effectiveness of it as it helps the mask fit more firmly on the face

McGiver

nigeldaniel wrote: »

I voted No I will wait for HSE to recommend. As I live in the country and have very little interaction with people and tend not to go out much these days. When I do go out I have a neck tube or bandana...for now. If I had to go to a big town or area when I know people will be about then I certainly would give it plenty though. As it stands I would not buy face masks when I know professional folks and others may have a greater need.

OK, so you think that buying a mask in Lidl or amazon or ebay takes away masks from the medical staff?

Mr.Wemmick

riffmongous wrote: »

If you're not trained then how can you judge if other people are using them properly? Wait until everybody needs to wear masks regularly and then you'll see the fairly common routine of mask around the neck or in the pocket, pulled out with the hands and put on before going in to the shop or bus, and then back in the pocket afterwards. Or the mask not over the nose, or the ffp2/3 with a ventilator on it.

Well maybe if you weren't so naive you wouldn't need to be patronised? I've actually spent some time at the control areas for quarantine buildings and seen doctors and healthcare workers make fairly basic mistakes with their gloves and masks, that's why they have to have people there to control them. Have a look at any random google of people in PPE and you can spot mistakes fairly quickly if you know what to look for. Most of them probably didn't get enough training beyond a demo maybe and they've certainly got more on their minds by the time they are half way through a shift, that why you need discipline and thought too. But of course someone who wears a mask for 5 minutes on his way into a shop knows everything :rolleyes:

Crikey! Where to start with this?

How can I judge if someone is using them correctly? How can you judge they are not? LOL.

Honestly, you have to be joking, right? This is just your opinion and as opinions go yours really fall short. You are in no position to judge, but yet here you are.. and criticising me for doing the same. Naive 'n' all

Keep rolling those eyes, you might just hit on some objectivity.

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Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Crikey! Where to start with this?

How can I judge if someone is using them correctly? How can you judge they are not? LOL.

Honestly, you have to be joking, right? This is just your opinion and as opinions go yours really fall short. You are in no position to judge, but yet here you are.. and criticising me for doing the same. Naive 'n' all

Keep rolling those eyes, you might just hit on some objectivity.

I'm pretty sure I'm one of a handful of people here properly trained in using PPE, and probably the only one who has actually had to judge others people's PPE in real life, so yeah, I'll stick with my opinion thanks

Seanergy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It was clearly said that people shouldn't pass comment or criticise someone who isn't wearing one.

It's classic government speak used in u-turn situations.

I have put up with sneers and pretend coughs and sneezes from people who either think they are funny or were happy to intimidate/joke at me in supermarkets. I know I am not alone here, I have seen it done to others.

The scary thing is pretend coughs and sneezes can actually transfer dropelets. Where as now if somone in a mask were to make a passing comment to someone without a mask it would probably result in next to no transfer of droplets.

That phrase is so one sided, it could also read people shouldn't pass comment or criticise someone who is wearing a mask.

Below is example of such commentary that has been prevalent. Not a chance should others be given immunity to pass on masks and infect others. Pure BS

My preference is to drive without a mask with windows down and enjoy fresh air, but if I am nipping to and fro I might drive with mask on, mainly because I have it on, it is secure and saves me taking on and off numerous times.

Wibbs wrote: »

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Like I said earlier in the thread, thank christ this wasn't something like smallpox or we would have been truly and utterly fcuked.

100% +1 Unfortunate thing is the State and the G-men are trying to push this as a Victory, most meaningful lessons in life are learnt with loss not victories.

We have failed the elderly, the people who are responsible for us being here and we have failed the next generation because we will have not learnt from our mistakes, so how can they.

brendanwalsh wrote: »

There is a large portion of people spouting the lie that a mask is useless.

The State and the Media did their fair share of contributing to that public opinion. Even by sitting on the fence now, they are still dangling in it.

This is currently on the HSE website:

Wearing a medical mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.

MadYaker wrote: »

Still boggles my mind that people are against it. Is it just because they’re uncomfortable? If so thats disgustingly selfish.

It's not just that, there is a sizeable percetage, from what I can gauge, of mainly working class peeps who are of the opinion that the virus is a scam for the new world order....I won't and don't go down that rabbit hole.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's been quite clearly stated it's not mandatory and is up to the individual. Allergy or no allergy it's up to each person

I think it's called a political allergy.

tromtipp wrote: »

If they're going to give us advice on face mask safety I hope they do a better job than they've done on hand washing, where they tell us to rub hands together, wash between the fingers, and under the nails, but no mention on washing the thumbs or round the wrists, both of which have been identified as the weak spots in most people's hand-washing routine.

They didn't do a better job, actually the HSE fcuked up with the promo vid Simon Harris pushed on Twitter today. It's complete hazard advice, what do you expect for 11th hour education. Too focused on phase1 to focus on safety.

Here is a rip. It has all the appearance of polish but it's not, their is one rather large step in the safety process that is missing.

The easy fix is to take down the original video and replace it with a fixed version. But that's not responsible beahviour. To correct this the Minister of Health would need to contact every person who has retweeted this and contact every person who has watched this, informing them of his mistake, a next to impossible task.

Right now there are hundreds if not thousands of people who have directed to behave in a particular fashion by the HSE and the Minister for Health. They were not told to bother washing thier hands before taking off their mask.

Nay sayers and g-men will say the risk created was not that big, or maybe doesn't matter are just making coverspeak. Spin away or swep it under the carpet.

Then again it's not mandatory so hey HSE/NPHET/STATE are not responsible.....Just another helpful thing you can do to possibly transfer the virus.

Arrival wrote: »

Funnily enough, there was actually a study done showing that cutting a hole on the end of some tights and putting those over a simple surgical mask increases the effectiveness of it as it helps the mask fit more firmly on the face

I recall thinking at the time wow and then how the removal of a pair of tights presented a whole new form of hazard in my mind.

Mr.Wemmick

riffmongous wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I'm one of a handful of people here properly trained in using PPE, and probably the only one who has actually had to judge others people's PPE in real life, so yeah, I'll stick with my opinion thanks

Good for you! However, you are completely ignorant of what I witnessed this morning and therefore can not judge one way or the other.

That is why your objectivity is lost. I would never presume to judge what someone else has seen or witnessed, yet here you are.. doing exactly that on the internet, no less, lol.

McGiver

In the meantime in a different galaxy far away compared to Ireland these days.... See the attached picture.

These folks are Hyundai managers earlier this week. Showcasing new products. Notice that everyone wears masks in the picture on the right.

And this is a country that essentially eliminated the virus and now works business as usual. Apart from Covid precautions of course.

Someone tells here again that masks don't work are not needed etc, then that post should be reported as trolling or fake news equal to conspiracy theories.

Oh yeah and on the alleged contact tracing our Irish government "done amazing job". The Koreans found a fella with Covid who was roaming bars in Seoul last week. Immediately cought him, closed all bars, and started tracing, were disappointed they had found only 700 contacts out of 3000 few days later!

YFlyer

Someone mentioned to me that if you are asymptomatic and you wear a mask you can increase the rate of your own infection.

I haven't found any information to prove or disapprove his argument.

Anyone have a link to an article or a post on this thread to shed light on this?

rob316

McGiver wrote: »

In the meantime in a different galaxy far away compared to Ireland these days.... See the attached picture.

These folks are Hyundai managers earlier this week. Showcasing new products. Notice that everyone wears masks in the picture on the right.

And this is a country that essentially eliminated the virus and now works business as usual. Apart from Covid precautions of course.

Someone tells here again that masks don't work are not needed etc, then that post should be reported as trolling or fake news equal to conspiracy theories.

Oh yeah and on the alleged contact tracing our Irish government "done amazing job". The Koreans found a fella with Covid who was roaming bars in Seoul last week. Immediately cought him, closed all bars, and started tracing, were disappointed they had found only 700 contacts out of 3000 few days later!

They wear masks in that part of the world constantly. Long before this pandemic you had plenty of Asians leaving here wearing them out and about.

Wibbs

rob316 wrote: »

They wear masks in that part of the world constantly. Long before this pandemic you had plenty of Asians leaving here wearing them out and about.

True and they have lower rates of infections and deaths than Western nations who don't. The Western nations who have copied them also have lower rates than those who don't. When something so obvious - protect the primary area of infection, both inwardly and outwardly - and easy to implement is being avoided because of some cultural hangups, it kinda beggars belief. And it is easy to implement compared with testing, contact tracing and quarantine. But there's that pesky cultural hangup...

Stark

YFlyer wrote: »

Someone mentioned to me that if you are asymptomatic and you wear a mask you can increase the rate of your own infection.

I haven't found any information to prove or disapprove his argument.

Anyone have a link to an article or a post on this thread to shed light on this?

Sounds like bull****. Anti-maskers are the new anti-vaxxers, tonnes of misinformation being pumped out at the moment.

xhomelezz

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/aac74c-guidance-on-safe-use-of-face-coverings/

So there you can find instructions how to on masks.

Manion

Went to Tesco yesterday , only a small number of people wearing masks. The majority incorrectly. I saw one person who said she was a career wearing it around her neck and coming right up to a shop assistant. A lot of people in the queue touching the front of the mask with bare hands. I saw other people taking them off as they left Tesco's. Again bare hands unwashed.

People, a lot of them on this thread, angrily dismissed the medical experts in Ireland highlighting that this was likely to be the general publics reaction. That there was a real risk of masks being counter productive, like what we are seeing with gloves. I only saw people with masks touching their face yesterday.

Yes this could be improved with educational campaigns but let's be real here, how many people smoke, get STI's , drink drive etc even after years and years of constant public education campaigns. Mandatory masks might do more harm than good in the short term.

Boggles

Manion wrote: »

People, a lot of them on this thread, angrily dismissed the medical experts in Ireland highlighting that this was likely to be the general publics reaction. That there was a real risk of masks being counter productive, like what we are seeing with gloves. I only saw people with masks touching their face yesterday.

Newflash, they are now "recommending" face coverings.

So are you saying they are now putting the general populous at more risk with their advice?

YFlyer

Stark wrote: »

Sounds like bull****. Anti-maskers are the new anti-vaxxers, tonnes of misinformation being pumped out at the moment.

He possibly have an argument if the person is wearing a respirator.

A surgical or cloth mask shouldn't increase the infection load to the asymptomatic wearer.

Wibbs

Manion wrote: »

Went to Tesco yesterday , only a small number of people wearing masks. The majority incorrectly. I saw one person who said she was a career wearing it around her neck and coming right up to a shop assistant. A lot of people in the queue touching the front of the mask with bare hands. I saw other people taking them off as they left Tesco's. Again bare hands unwashed.

So you also saw people failing at social distancing and hand washing protocols, both which have been pushed from the start as a means to reduce the risk of spread and recommendations you likely agree with, yet the masks are the sticking point?

People, a lot of them on this thread, angrily dismissed the medical experts in Ireland highlighting that this was likely to be the general publics reaction.

The medical experts rolled out by the HSE have come out with a few howlers, including potentially deadly ones. Have we forgotten the "reopen the care homes" and "asymptomatic spread is of almost no risk" from the same medical experts here?

Yes this could be improved with educational campaigns but let's be real here, how many people smoke, get STI's , drink drive etc even after years and years of constant public education campaigns. Mandatory masks might do more harm than good in the short term.

Drink driving and smoking rates are way down on what they were even a decade ago. Clearly the campaigns didn't work. Apparently they didn't work for hand washing and social distancing either. Oh wait, they mostly did. And again masks are the outlier.

The resistance to mask wearing is little to do with science or even logic, it's almost entirely down to two things: early concerns about PPE for medical staff and a deep cultural resistance to wearing them. Note how many wear gloves and they're "acceptable" to the wider culture because they're less obvious, don't cover our faces and are culturally OK, yet they are far easier to contaminate and nobody I've seen knows how to use them.

I'd have a lot more time for those who just came out and honestly said they just don't want to wear a mask because they feel "weird", because that is the guts of it for many if not most.

Kivaro

Manion wrote: »

Went to Tesco yesterday , only a small number of people wearing masks. The majority incorrectly. I saw one person who said she was a career wearing it around her neck and coming right up to a shop assistant. A lot of people in the queue touching the front of the mask with bare hands. I saw other people taking them off as they left Tesco's. Again bare hands unwashed.
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This most definitely will happen.
My own experience shopping during the week; happened to be behind a woman with a mask and industrial scale rubber gloves at the checkout. Prior to that, she would give anyone the 'evil stare' if they ventured 10 feet within her circumference a.k.a. her invisible virus shield.
Now, I totally respected all that, but when she finished packing her weekly shopping, she removed one of her gloves (with great stress), routed through her bag for her card, inserted the card, and keyed in her pin with her ungloved hand, fixing her face mask with the same hand as she was waiting for it to process. And after taking the receipt and coupons with her bare hand, she then put on the massive rubber glove and off she went.

Masks will be a new experience to lots of people, so there will be a learning curve for most.

While I'm on here, this morning I made myself a kick-ass homemade mask with a bandana........... in about 45 seconds. Very happy with this multi-layered and sturdy mask.
Here's the short YouTube video I used:

McGiver

YFlyer wrote: »

Someone mentioned to me that if you are asymptomatic and you wear a mask you can increase the rate of your own infection.

I haven't found any information to prove or disapprove his argument.

Anyone have a link to an article or a post on this thread to shed light on this?

This is a nonsense. No basis in science.

McGiver

rob316 wrote: »

They wear masks in that part of the world constantly. Long before this pandemic you had plenty of Asians leaving here wearing them out and about.

WTF is that part of the world? Like it's some sort of a lesser part of the world or what?

No, they don't. But they have a consideration for others. Manners. As soon as someone has cold or flu they wear it to protect others. And during the flu season people also wear it to protect themselves. It wouldn't be everyone wearing them all the time.Whereas now it's everyone.

Pragmatic evidence based approach is to copy best practice from anywhere in the world. That's what's needed. Irish government can barely see beyond Wales in its look for best practices.

McGiver

From gov.ie

You may choose to wear a cloth face covering:

-when staying 2 metres apart from people is difficult - for example, in shops, shopping centres or public transport

-in an enclosed space with other people

This is ridiculous cowardice and lack of leadership.
It's like saying "we recommend you to pay taxes but then saying you may chose to pay them".

If the article starts with "recommendation" then it should say "We recommend you to wear a clothes face covering:".