Kermit.de.frog wrote: » 256 new cases yesterday. Way above where we need to be. This is a direct result of fecklessness by some of the population. Some see fit to have house parties, hang out in groups, go to parks and all the rest of it and this is the result of that. No point blaming Holohan if the measures need to remain as they are.
Thespoofer wrote: » Just heard Dr. T. Holohan essentially say that there's no guarantees of allowing outdoor workers on May 18th. If we're prevented again from going back to work I am going to snap. There. I just had to get this off my chest.
mandrake04 wrote: » Not years possibly to mid-late June I seem to remember that Ireland locked down on 13th March because they hit 90 cases in total, they are now getting 3 times that a day and they still got over 6000 active cases. A week later NZ had 106 cases and they shut down for 33 days, they have 2-3 cases per day and 130 active cases. Australia had 500 cases and they didn't really shut down as much as NZ and they have less than 20 cases per day. Ireland clearly has a problem that needs to be fixed, I know the growth has slowed somewhat but there is little sign of victory but with a little more time it could achieve that.
With the stringent restrictions due to be reviewed on Thursday – and details to be announced on Sunday – the prime minister is expected to change the rules so that people would be able to leave the house repeatedly in a single day, so long as they keep a safe distance from anyone from outside their household.
Meanwhile the continued high number of new Covid-19 cases – 6,111 on Tuesday – is likely to deter ministers from more radical steps.
ceadaoin. wrote: » So what, stay shut down for possibly years? At some stage we have to face the fact that this isn't going anywhere. 99%+ of people are going to be fine. Allow those at higher risk to stay sheltered, with government financial support if they can't work. Everyone else just get on with things, accepting the risk. Reduce this risk as much as possible by wearing masks and continued social distancing in public as much as is reasonable, practicing good hygiene etc. I can't see any other option. The alternative is society being absolutely ****ed for generations.
mandrake04 wrote: » The case numbers are not that much better than they were on the 1st May when they decided it’s not good enough, still 37 people died yesterday. Obviously the virus is not relaxed any...so your wrong there. Ok so they ease restrictions on 18th possibly still 150-200 cases per day, 2 weeks later numbers go up and it’s another lockdown. So relaxed
frillyleaf wrote: » They won’t be able to extend the lockdown, restrictions will lift on the 18th. People won’t listen if they did, everything is far more relaxed now
JRant wrote: » The government are though, that's the problem for many. There will be no real "easing" of restrictions until mid July at the earliest according to their own road map. You might be allowed see your family by then, sure you might even be lucky enough to get a haircut but that's about the size of it. Even phase 5 is a complete cod.
JRant wrote: » We have no defined metrics on when we move to the next phase of back for that matter. Well apart the CMO and his vague "the numbers are not where we want them to do". He should bloody well tell us what the numbers should be not giving us vague wishy-washy BS.
Penfailed wrote: » There were three or four replies giving good advice. Did you miss them?
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1257723650469441536 Good man Andrew.
mandrake04 wrote: » I don’t think that’s good enough, putting people in a hotel guarantees protecting every else and charge the individual for it ensures the are reminded of the seriousness of the situation. I know you won’t agree or want to believe this could happen because of your personal situation but at some stage the government will get jack of extending the lockdown and they will do this. They done it in other countries that have been successful at reducing numbers, it comes to the point governments don’t trust minority of citizens anymore than minority of citizens trust government. But they will push for the greater good and the majority will support them.
Cork Boy 53 wrote: » Really? Tell that to the anti water charges "no way we won`t pay" brigade just to take one recent example.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Unless you are over 80 and/or are clinically obese or have a number of serious underlying conditions there's probably more chance of you dying in a plane crash than from covid 19. Healthy people need to get over the fear of covid 19. If you have a healthy immune system you will be fine. Be concerned for the seriously ill who you should be distancing from in any case. Its very likely many Irish people already had covid 19 and didn't even know it.
growleaves wrote: » Its our ancestors who were rebels. I don't think the average Irish person of today is particularly rebellious.
"Ah it'll be grand" + the Irish being social animals + us having a history of rebelling = a total and utter fúcking disaster waiting to happen
[Deleted User] wrote: » Given the statistics available and the fact that there is no vaccine , it’s unbelievable that we are not cocooning the elders. They are the ones making up over 90% of the deaths. It’s also unbelievable that we lockdown people at very little risk while the lockdown destroys our country. Over 1m on the dole. Complete mismanagement. And then we have Tony telling us that the numbers are not good enough. The same Tony that wanted to cover up the cervical scandal and the same Tony that wanted the visiting ban lifted in nursing homes less than 2 months ago. If we lockdown again without even entering phase 1, which is still practically lockdown anyways, we’ll be an absolute laughing stock.
Arghus wrote: » I don't know if we're a nation of gob****es, but I think culturally we're not disposed to following rules to the letter if they inconvenience us and we have an easy going, ah it'll be grand, attitude.
Deleted User wrote: » We already have the same mandatory quarantine for arrivals as many other countries. You have to state where you will be self quarantining and you will be checked by the Gardaí to ensure you are there over the next 14 days
ShineOn7 wrote: » I wonder, if other country's people are slacking already (obviously parts of America are now completely rebelling against authority) Or are we just a nation of gobshítes when it comes to not following the rules?
keynes wrote: » Assuming Michael Martin and FF will be the face of the next gov, FG have every incentive to run up debt and paralyze them fiscally. A good deal of politics involved as well in prolonging the lockdown.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Still no proportion of the total deaths or even the fatality rate among the young healthy. The fatality rate of covid 19 is estimated at about 0.5%. Sone studies say slightly higher or lower but the average appears to be 0.5%.
Arghus wrote: » I work in a retail store and I see with my own eyes every single day that I am there that people are getting more and more relaxed over time and not heeding the message re hand hygiene, cough etiquette and especially social distancing. I have zero faith that enough people will follow the guidelines to actually make them effective. I see it. People don't. Three or four weeks ago there was an effort being made by the public, but that started to decline about a fortnight ago and things were noticably back to normal this weekend.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » As such they are extremely reluctant to take any decision that they may be held to account for later. The Government may be on the way out, but most of the TD's plan to stick around a long while yet.
Arghus wrote: » We do have undiagnosed/ asymptomatic people in the community, but I would say up until 7-10 days ago, people, generally, were still keeping to the guidelines, which will still bring down the chances of increasing the rates of infection. But, since the weekend, a lot of people are back moving about, milling around with people again. I work in a retail store and I see with my own eyes every single day that I am there that people are getting more and more relaxed over time and not heeding the message re hand hygiene, cough etiquette and especially social distancing. I have zero faith that enough people will follow the guidelines to actually make them effective. I see it. People don't. Three or four weeks ago there was an effort being made by the public, but that started to decline about a fortnight ago and things were noticably back to normal this weekend.
ShineOn7 wrote: » "Why does Covid-19 kill some young, healthy people—and spare others?"https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/04/13/covid-young-people I'm sure you'll post some nonsense to justify young, healthy people dying of it though
