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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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easypazz

Arghus wrote: »

We have thousands of active cases still walking around and people are beginning to think it's mission accomplished and making noises about the economy. Even though going back to easing restrictions right now will inevitably lead to a second surge, second lockdown and even more damage to the economy in the long term.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.

tobefrank321

Arghus wrote: »

One of the posters on here last night was banging on about what Prof Michael O' Keefe was saying last night on The Tonight Show, spouting opinions completely at odds with the rest of the medical experts in the country

I wonder were they watching Dr. Thomas Ryan - whose specialty is immunology, not ophthalmology, as in the case with Prof. O' Keefe. - had to say on the same show tonight. Probably, not I'd imagine: because they'll only listen to opinions that agree with what they want to hear.

He spelled it out pretty clearly.

We have thousands of active cases still walking around and people are beginning to think it's mission accomplished and making noises about the economy. Even though going back to easing restrictions right now will inevitably lead to a second surge, second lockdown and even more damage to the economy in the long term.

So you think there will be no surge when we eventually lift restrictions?

What do you think will happen?

SusieBlue

alwald wrote: »

I think that you should stop looking at any invalid excuse, like unsued penney's stock, to justify lifting the restrictions...those decisions are left to the professionals who are qualified to make decisions on C-19 instead of waffling about clothing stock

2/10, try harder. Please quote where I said that restrictions should be lifted because of unused Penney’s summer stock. I’ll wait.

If you scroll back the discussion was actually regarding how businesses might survive post lockdown, and I was commenting on the massive financial and environmental waste and how that will impact their reopening. You seem to be seeing what you want to see

gozunda

easypazz wrote: »

Absolutely, I've never heard of anybody I know either being tested or diagnosed positive.

Everybody I know gets social distancing and given that nome of us knows anybody who has come near it, the risks are low so we get on with it.

Thankfully not everybody resides in your sphere of gloom.

So it's all a big con? I get you.

So you have taken reality and replaced it with one of your own imagination?

Thats lovely. Hope it works out for you ...

Kermit.de.frog

Arghus wrote: »

Even though going back to easing restrictions right now will inevitably lead to a second surge, second lockdown and even more damage to the economy in the long term.

I know it's a small proportion of posters but its still surprising how this point does not register for them.

A second lock down would make this pale in comparison.

The way they are going on, if they got what they want, it makes it almost inevitable in my view.

Why risk that for short term personal gain?

giveitholly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

HSE hospitalisation numbers just after being released.

As on 8pm tonight we have 82 confirmed cases in ICU.

Likewise as of 8pm there are 618 confirmed cases being treated in acute hospitals .

In comparison to last night that was 90 confirmed ICU cases and 651 confirmed cases in acute hospitals.

Correct me if I am wrong but was the confirmed cases being treated in hospital over 800 only a couple of days ago?

tobefrank321

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ìts a highly contagious virus,which has killed 1800 on the island?

We likely be looking at near on that figure,every 2 weeks with no lockdown,plus more when our health service would likely have collasped like italys??

If the reopening takes a wee while longer,what harm??
This virus hasnt got any safer and every precaution is saving lives,we lost enough people to this

Half of which were in nursing homes. The vast majority of the rest with chronic underlying conditions.

Never get facts in the way of scaremongering.

Penfailed

bettyoleary wrote: »

I suppose there isn't many advising you on this as your not worthy of their time. Or more than likely getting in the way of them getting bums on board the old Ryan Air to go and swill a few pints in Benidorm in the Pennys dress with the boyfrfiend sporting a Turkish barber head. Youd actually be best to continue with the lock down as quietly as possible id say because you need to wait for the vaccine.;)

There were three or four replies giving good advice. Did you miss them?

Arghus

One of the posters on here last night was banging on about what Prof Michael O' Keefe was saying last night on The Tonight Show, spouting opinions completely at odds with the rest of the medical experts in the country

I wonder were they watching Dr. Thomas Ryan - whose specialty is immunology, not ophthalmology, as in the case with Prof. O' Keefe. - had to say on the same show tonight. Probably not, I'd imagine: because they'll only listen to opinions that agree with what they want to hear.

He spelled it out pretty clearly.

We have thousands of active cases still walking around and people are beginning to think it's mission accomplished and making noises about the economy. Even though going back to easing restrictions right now will inevitably lead to a second surge, second lockdown and even more damage to the economy in the long term.

easypazz

Deleted User wrote: »

Ìts a highly contagious virus,which has killed 1800 on the island?

We likely be looking at near on that figure,every 2 weeks with no lockdown,plus more when our health service would likely have collasped like italys??

If the reopening takes a wee while longer,what harm??
This virus hasnt got any safer and every precaution is saving lives,we lost enough people to this

It costs lives with missed cancer screening etc.

Suggest you watch last nights prime time.

stephenjmcd

HSE hospitalisation numbers just after being released.

As on 8pm tonight we have 82 confirmed cases in ICU.

Likewise as of 8pm there are 618 confirmed cases being treated in acute hospitals .

In comparison to last night that was 90 confirmed ICU cases and 651 confirmed cases in acute hospitals.

tobefrank321

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah because Brazil with nearly 200 million people and two of the largest cities on Earth with Rio and sao paolo is just like Ireland. And you're the crowd mocking people for comparing Ireland to Sweden?

Some of his posts would be laughable if the subject wasn't so serious.

Brazil has 9 times fewer deaths per capita than us.

easypazz

gozunda wrote: »

Truely? You surprise me.

Absolutely, I've never heard of anybody I know either being tested or diagnosed positive.

Everybody I know gets social distancing and given that nome of us knows anybody who has come near it, the risks are low so we get on with it.

Thankfully not everybody resides in your sphere of gloom.

[Deleted User]

mandrake04 wrote: »

People with similar attitude is why the numbers are going down so slow.

There’s a simple way around it, lots of hotels in Dublin will be empty as tourism for this year is buried.

Anyone who ‘chooses’ to go on holiday against advice has to be forced into 14 days isolation in hotel paid by the government. The government can recoup the costs through adding this cost to the individuals tax.

Some people in here really long for authoritarian ****

tobefrank321

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Health experts express growing dread over second wave of coronavirus deaths

From the Examiner https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/health-experts-express-growing-dread-over-second-wave-of-coronavirus-deaths-998085.html

Meanwhile Merkel reins in German states trying to open up too fast

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/06/angela-merkel-germany-states-rules-on-easing-coronavirus-lockdown

You're just scaremongering for the sake of it now.

Any chance you post something to balance it? Eg potential deaths from untreated cancers? Mass unemployment as the result of lockdowns?

I won't hold my breath.

alwald

SusieBlue wrote: »

Stop being so deliberately obtuse there, good lad now.

I think that you should stop looking at any invalid excuse, like unsued penney's stock, to justify lifting the restrictions...those decisions are left to the professionals who are qualified to make decisions on C-19 instead of waffling about clothing stock

easypazz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No one can be and many supposedly previously healthy individuals are now lying in graves or have been cremated as a result of being infected with the virus.

Very few though.

gozunda

easypazz wrote: »

I'd say more "a lot" than "some" at this stage.

Truely? You surprise me.

mandrake04

gozunda wrote: »

Unfortunately some people just don't seem to give a **** tbh

People with similar attitude is why the numbers are going down so slow.

There’s a simple way around it, lots of hotels in Dublin will be empty as tourism for this year is buried.

Anyone who ‘chooses’ to go on holiday against advice has to be forced into 14 days isolation in hotel paid by the government. The government can recoup the costs through adding this cost to the individuals tax.

tobefrank321

ShineOn7 wrote: »

People under 50 with healthy immune systems have died of this. So there goes your "logic"

Source?

And also what proportion of all deaths?

growleaves

If this first series of lockdowns are immediately followed by another series of lockdowns into the winter then European societies will begin to collapse.

At this point I'm not sure how to feel about it since it seems it isn't an intellectual mistake but something more akin to mass suicide. Civillisations don't last forever anyway but this will be quite a rapid end.

gozunda

tobefrank321 wrote: »

As has been repeated many times unless you are over 80 and or have chronic underlying conditions you are likely to be fine.

Are you in these categories?

I'll take it that you are not a medical professional. Afaik boards TOU precludes anyone giving medical advice for that very reason. So excuse me if I take your opinions on Covid-19 and put them where they belong.

And just so we get this straight - so let's say you become infected whilst flying off on your holidays to Costa-del-wherever. And you infect the chamber maid at the hotel who unfortunately passes it on to her elderly mother or a child who has asthma? Oh and you also get locked up in two weeks quarantine for your efforts. Would everything be 'just fine' then it would you be one of the above?

[Deleted User]

tobefrank321 wrote: »

One where scaremongering isn't the norm.

Ìts a highly contagious virus,which has killed 1800 on the island?

We likely be looking at near on that figure,every 2 weeks with no lockdown,plus more when our health service would likely have collasped like italys??

If the reopening takes a wee while longer,what harm??
This virus hasnt got any safer and every precaution is saving lives,we lost enough people to this

SusieBlue

alwald wrote: »

The world is dealing with a pandemic and you are focused on penney's summer stock

Stop being so deliberately obtuse there, good lad now.

timmy_mallet

SusieBlue wrote: »

I think he was suggesting that businesses were not designed and buildings weren’t planned with social distancing in mind.
Which will mean that implementing these measures, now that they’re needed, will be a death sentence for many of them. Because they were never designed to operate with a lesser capacity and they won’t be able to remain liquid with the new restrictions in place.

You've more patience than me.

Kermit.de.frog

Health experts express growing dread over second wave of coronavirus deaths

Health experts are expressing growing dread over what they say is an all-but-certain second wave of deaths and infections that could force governments around the world to clamp back down, just as lockdowns loosen.

“We’re risking a backslide that will be intolerable,” said Dr Ian Lipkin of Columbia University’s Centre for Infection and Immunity.

Around the world, German authorities began drawing up plans in case of a resurgence of the virus.

Experts in Italy urged intensified efforts to identify new victims and trace their contacts.

And France, which has not yet eased its lockdown, has already worked up a “reconfinement plan” in the event of a new wave.

“There will be a second wave, but the problem is to which extent. Is it a small wave or a big wave? It’s too early to say,” said Olivier Schwartz, head of the virus unit at France’s Pasteur Institute.

...

From the Examiner https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/health-experts-express-growing-dread-over-second-wave-of-coronavirus-deaths-998085.html

Meanwhile Merkel reins in German states trying to open up too fast

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/06/angela-merkel-germany-states-rules-on-easing-coronavirus-lockdown

the German leader said relaxing physical distancing rules would only be possible if the country adhered to a new “emergency mechanism”, whereby hospitals, care homes or entire municipalities would be put under lockdown if they accumulatively registered more than 50 new infections per 100,000 inhabitants within seven days.

LiquidZeb

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Yes, let's be like Brazil, because it's working out so well for them, isn't it?

Yeah because Brazil with nearly 200 million people and two of the largest cities on Earth with Rio and sao paolo is just like Ireland. And you're the crowd mocking people for comparing Ireland to Sweden?

timmy_mallet

alwald wrote: »

The world is dealing with a pandemic and you are focused on penney's summer stock

Yes, we are all 'focussed' on that. Cant think of anything else to be honest.

SusieBlue

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

So what are you suggesting now? That social distancing should be done away with because it doesn`t suit some stores` business model? Jesus!

I think he was suggesting that businesses were not designed and buildings weren’t planned with social distancing in mind.
Which will mean that implementing these measures, now that they’re needed, will be a death sentence for many of them. Because they were never designed to operate with a lesser capacity and they won’t be able to remain liquid with the new restrictions in place.

ShineOn7

tobefrank321 wrote: »

One where scaremongering isn't the norm.

People under 50 with healthy immune systems have died of this. So there goes your "logic"