Relaxation of restrictions Part II

mandrake04 wrote: »

People with similar attitude is why the numbers are going down so slow.

There’s a simple way around it, lots of hotels in Dublin will be empty as tourism for this year is buried.

Anyone who ‘chooses’ to go on holiday against advice has to be forced into 14 days isolation in hotel paid by the government. The government can recoup the costs through adding this cost to the individuals tax.

Some people in here really long for authoritarian ****

gozunda wrote: »

Truely? You surprise me.

Absolutely, I've never heard of anybody I know either being tested or diagnosed positive.

Everybody I know gets social distancing and given that nome of us knows anybody who has come near it, the risks are low so we get on with it.

Thankfully not everybody resides in your sphere of gloom.

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah because Brazil with nearly 200 million people and two of the largest cities on Earth with Rio and sao paolo is just like Ireland. And you're the crowd mocking people for comparing Ireland to Sweden?

Some of his posts would be laughable if the subject wasn't so serious.

Brazil has 9 times fewer deaths per capita than us.

stephenjmcd

HSE hospitalisation numbers just after being released.

As on 8pm tonight we have 82 confirmed cases in ICU.

Likewise as of 8pm there are 618 confirmed cases being treated in acute hospitals .

In comparison to last night that was 90 confirmed ICU cases and 651 confirmed cases in acute hospitals.

Deleted User wrote: »

Ìts a highly contagious virus,which has killed 1800 on the island?

We likely be looking at near on that figure,every 2 weeks with no lockdown,plus more when our health service would likely have collasped like italys??

If the reopening takes a wee while longer,what harm??
This virus hasnt got any safer and every precaution is saving lives,we lost enough people to this

It costs lives with missed cancer screening etc.

Suggest you watch last nights prime time.

Arghus

One of the posters on here last night was banging on about what Prof Michael O' Keefe was saying last night on The Tonight Show, spouting opinions completely at odds with the rest of the medical experts in the country

I wonder were they watching Dr. Thomas Ryan - whose specialty is immunology, not ophthalmology, as in the case with Prof. O' Keefe. - had to say on the same show tonight. Probably not, I'd imagine: because they'll only listen to opinions that agree with what they want to hear.

He spelled it out pretty clearly.

We have thousands of active cases still walking around and people are beginning to think it's mission accomplished and making noises about the economy. Even though going back to easing restrictions right now will inevitably lead to a second surge, second lockdown and even more damage to the economy in the long term.

Penfailed

bettyoleary wrote: »

I suppose there isn't many advising you on this as your not worthy of their time. Or more than likely getting in the way of them getting bums on board the old Ryan Air to go and swill a few pints in Benidorm in the Pennys dress with the boyfrfiend sporting a Turkish barber head. Youd actually be best to continue with the lock down as quietly as possible id say because you need to wait for the vaccine.;)

There were three or four replies giving good advice. Did you miss them?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ìts a highly contagious virus,which has killed 1800 on the island?

We likely be looking at near on that figure,every 2 weeks with no lockdown,plus more when our health service would likely have collasped like italys??

If the reopening takes a wee while longer,what harm??
This virus hasnt got any safer and every precaution is saving lives,we lost enough people to this

Half of which were in nursing homes. The vast majority of the rest with chronic underlying conditions.

Never get facts in the way of scaremongering.

giveitholly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

HSE hospitalisation numbers just after being released.

As on 8pm tonight we have 82 confirmed cases in ICU.

Likewise as of 8pm there are 618 confirmed cases being treated in acute hospitals .

In comparison to last night that was 90 confirmed ICU cases and 651 confirmed cases in acute hospitals.

Correct me if I am wrong but was the confirmed cases being treated in hospital over 800 only a couple of days ago?

Kermit.de.frog

Arghus wrote: »

Even though going back to easing restrictions right now will inevitably lead to a second surge, second lockdown and even more damage to the economy in the long term.

I know it's a small proportion of posters but its still surprising how this point does not register for them.

A second lock down would make this pale in comparison.

The way they are going on, if they got what they want, it makes it almost inevitable in my view.

Why risk that for short term personal gain?

gozunda

easypazz wrote: »

Absolutely, I've never heard of anybody I know either being tested or diagnosed positive.

Everybody I know gets social distancing and given that nome of us knows anybody who has come near it, the risks are low so we get on with it.

Thankfully not everybody resides in your sphere of gloom.

So it's all a big con? I get you.

So you have taken reality and replaced it with one of your own imagination?

Thats lovely. Hope it works out for you ...

SusieBlue

alwald wrote: »

I think that you should stop looking at any invalid excuse, like unsued penney's stock, to justify lifting the restrictions...those decisions are left to the professionals who are qualified to make decisions on C-19 instead of waffling about clothing stock

2/10, try harder. Please quote where I said that restrictions should be lifted because of unused Penney’s summer stock. I’ll wait.

If you scroll back the discussion was actually regarding how businesses might survive post lockdown, and I was commenting on the massive financial and environmental waste and how that will impact their reopening. You seem to be seeing what you want to see

Arghus wrote: »

One of the posters on here last night was banging on about what Prof Michael O' Keefe was saying last night on The Tonight Show, spouting opinions completely at odds with the rest of the medical experts in the country

I wonder were they watching Dr. Thomas Ryan - whose specialty is immunology, not ophthalmology, as in the case with Prof. O' Keefe. - had to say on the same show tonight. Probably, not I'd imagine: because they'll only listen to opinions that agree with what they want to hear.

He spelled it out pretty clearly.

We have thousands of active cases still walking around and people are beginning to think it's mission accomplished and making noises about the economy. Even though going back to easing restrictions right now will inevitably lead to a second surge, second lockdown and even more damage to the economy in the long term.

So you think there will be no surge when we eventually lift restrictions?

What do you think will happen?

Arghus wrote: »

We have thousands of active cases still walking around and people are beginning to think it's mission accomplished and making noises about the economy. Even though going back to easing restrictions right now will inevitably lead to a second surge, second lockdown and even more damage to the economy in the long term.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.

Arghus

People give out about the failure to protect nursing homes - and then say we should just get on with it and lift restrictions, because it only really effects people in nursing homes or with underlying conditions.

That's some quare cognitive dissonance.

Kermit.de.frog

SusieBlue wrote: »

2/10, try harder. Please quote where I said that restrictions should be lifted because of unused Penney’s summer stock. I’ll wait.

If you shop in Penny's, you shop in Penny's.

It's nothing to be ashamed of.

mandrake04 wrote: »

People with similar attitude is why the numbers are going down so slow.

There’s a simple way around it, lots of hotels in Dublin will be empty as tourism for this year is buried.

Anyone who ‘chooses’ to go on holiday against advice has to be forced into 14 days isolation in hotel paid by the government. The government can recoup the costs through adding this cost to the individuals tax.

We already have the same mandatory quarantine for arrivals as many other countries. You have to state where you will be self quarantining and you will be checked by the Gardaí to ensure you are there over the next 14 days

gozunda

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You're just scaremongering for the sake of it now.

Any chance you post something to balance it? Eg potential deaths from untreated cancers? Mass unemployment as the result of lockdowns?

I won't hold my breath.

Well to be fair Kermit didnt write the article and most likley is not one of the experts who made that prediction.

So you think we should all just moan about other things generally for a bit of balance like?

Interesting viewpoint.

JRant

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You're just scaremongering for the sake of it now.

Any chance you post something to balance it? Eg potential deaths from untreated cancers? Mass unemployment as the result of lockdowns?

I won't hold my breath.

Here's some balance from the RTE website

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0505/1136496-death-notices-ireland-coronavirus/

Overall trend is slightly up, many counties are down. Dublin has a 20% increase at around 1200 deaths. Cork's trend is down compared to it's peak year. Strangely some of the border counties have seen double, up to 80 deaths.

Considering most deaths are in the high 70's and low 80's years of age it will be interesting to see what the year on year trend is.

na1

alwald wrote: »

I think that you should stop looking at any invalid excuse, like unsued penney's stock, to justify lifting the restrictions...those decisions are left to the professionals

Was the decision to bail out private banks in 2009 made by professionals?

Given the statistics available and the fact that there is no vaccine , it’s unbelievable that we are not cocooning the elders. They are the ones making up over 90% of the deaths.

It’s also unbelievable that we lockdown people at very little risk while the lockdown destroys our country. Over 1m on the dole.

Complete mismanagement.

And then we have Tony telling us that the numbers are not good enough. The same Tony that wanted to cover up the cervical scandal and the same Tony that wanted the visiting ban lifted in nursing homes less than 2 months ago.

If we lockdown again without even entering phase 1, which is still practically lockdown anyways, we’ll be an absolute laughing stock.

gozunda wrote: »

So it's all a big con? I get you.

So you have taken reality and replaced it with one of your own imagination?

Thats lovely. Hope it works out for you ...

Ok gloomer

Arghus

tobefrank321 wrote: »

So you think there will be no surge when we eventually lift restrictions?

What do you think will happen?

If we break the chains of community transmission, it is possible that we can avoid a second surge. At least we are giving ourselves the best possible chance.

At the moment, if we lift restrictions where we are - in terms of active cases in the community - we have no chance of not going right back to square one.

easypazz wrote: »

It costs lives with missed cancer screening etc.

Suggest you watch last nights prime time.

Yes,and i know a few who have had cancer treatments put back over this too (most have started now afaik)

We are severly lucky a pure cathasphoric event hasnt happened here,people seem completly willing to ignore the effect this has had on countries with better healthcare than us

They were digging mass graves in NY,english have relied to all sorts of accounting tricks to keep their numbers low (so have several other countries tbf).....italy one of best healthcares in world complelty collasped under strain,spain & france havnt fared much better...fcuk knows how bad its gotten in iran,but reports certainly are horriffic

Its not inconceivable we would be well north of 4K deaths by now (total for 30 years of troubles was 3.5K for context)......we are after escaping by skin of teeth here from a complete diaster,

There's still a large number of people with their head in the sand.

There's actually people who believe if we lockdown for another 2 months we'll avoid a surge.

Of course we won't avoid a surge. It doesnt matter how long you lock down for as soon as you lift restrictions a surge comes.

Thats why you dont lift restrictions on vulnerable categories.

stephenjmcd

giveitholly wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong but was the confirmed cases being treated in hospital over 800 only a couple of days ago?

So on this day last week 29th April, the confirmed cases in hospital were, 8am - 760 , 2pm 751 and 8pm - 743

Today that was 8am- 657 , 2pm - 655 & 8pm 618

Arghus wrote: »

People give out about the failure to protect nursing homes - and then say we should just get on with it and lift restrictions, because it only really effects people in nursing homes or with underlying conditions.

That's some quare cognitive dissonance.

Nobody is suggesting that though, it would be silly.